The Legacy: Started WW3 to protest a democratic election.

That is exactly what I'm saying...lol

 

No you didn't...lol

Then I responded...

To which you responded...

 

Yep and that's a fact. I didn't say anything about Ukraine surrendering.

 

You ONLY said Ukraine should work towards a cease fire. Instead of saying Ukraine and Russia should work towards a cease fire. It's all in black and white in this thread. You can be intellectually dishonest all you like...no ones buying it.
And since I know how much you love to drag people down endless rabbit holes, I will allow you to continue being disingenuous all alone. Enjoy!

 

This is absolutely hilarious. You're getting ready to blame conservatives for what the idiotic Democrats are doing.

Way to really take responsibility for your vote there my friend

 

Nope. In my eyes, it is the right thing to allow Ukraine to defend themselves.

On the other hand, the GOP know Biden is purchased by Ukraine and continue to stand by doing nothing except complain.

 

That's right, because Ukraine is going to lose. Russia isn't.

Ukraine has two options: negotiate an end to the war, or lose the whole country to Russia.

 

There will be no World War III, bro.

Between the MAD Doctrine and Putler’s joke-ass military, which has been conducting a master class in how not to do logistics, Putin wouldn’t dare to lose it all in a war with the U.S. and/or NATO.

 

And if they refuse are you good with the likely possiblity of DC and a few European capitals including Moscow being turned into glass parking lots?

 

Are you saying that we should abandon Ukraine in order to prevent world war III?

Let Putin conquer any country he wants?

 

A statement for which there is zero evidence.

 

It is almost guaranteed that Trump will urge Ukraine to give up a large part of its territory in exchange for short-term peace. Peace that will include no commitment from Russia not to invade again.

 

The only country Russia is remotely interested in conquering is Ukraine and I am fairly certain that they are more than willing to settle for what they already have the part that was historically theirs until Staling started jacking about with the borders of everything right before he died.

 

Churchill didn't have actual evidence either, but he was right when he said Chamberlain made a big mistake cracking deals with Hitler (which is what Trump wants to do). Risk assessment is what it is. There is no concrete evidence of future events. What makes you believe Putin would stop if Trump cuts and runs?

 

A piece of paper signed by Putin saying he will not invade any other nations, as long as he is allowed to keep large parts of Ukraine, will be somewhat worthless. Unless other nations commit to defending Ukraine with full military force if there is another invasion.

 

Yes, it would be beyond foolish to trust a tyrant like Putin, not to mention such agreement would be a display of capitulation from US part.

 

If we are going to encourage Ukraine to give up some territory in exchange for peace, we will have to also guarantee we will 100% defend them if they are ever attacked again.

 

Yes he did Austria, came first then the Sudetenland. Next of course Came the rest of Czechoslovakia, And enough Czech 38t's to equip 2 more armored divisions. Meanwhile Putin has all the evidence he needs that his army has about as much chance against NATO as you do of spitting to the moon.

 

Do you mean the United States?

Absolutely not.

Number 1: There's not a square inch of Ukrainian soil that is worth spilling a drop of American blood.

Number 2: This is a European war. Left the Europeans deal with it. It's not like this is the first time European nations have had to deal with Russia.

Finally, the decision regarding Ukraine's territory is Ukraine's to make. What we encourage them to do does not and should not obligate anyone to do anything. That goes for Ukraine and it goes for us.

Lest you are unaware or have forgotten, the Budapest Memorandum never obligated the U.S. to defend Ukraine. If and when there comes a day when Ukraine joins NATO, then we can talk about defending its territory in conjunction with NATO, but not beforehand.

That being said, I wish the Ukrainians luck. If they stick with it this war may end like the one the Soviets lost in Afghanistan, but make no mistake - it will be a long, destructive and bloody slog.

 

Should we guarantee to protect Ukraine if they give up territory to Russia?

 

The deal was about Sudetenland, which was in Czechoslovakia. Austrias threw flowers at the Germans when they rolled in.

As for Putin, there are many non-NATO countries he can take first without much resistance, and when Trump undermines NATO, or pulls out completely, Russia will test the waters with Poland, Finland or some of the smaller members.

Trump would not make such guarantees. He is gifting Ukraine to Putin.

 

Moldova is next. Small, easy target.

 

Stop being a Russian sympathizer. Russia was the one that started the war and if you haven't noticed, it's already a world war with N. Korea, China, and Iran helping them. Only Congress has power to declare war which is run by Republicans. No worries, Trump will come in and Neville Chamberlain it all up.

 

They have options, but that seems like a low hanging fruit

 

Only Congress has Constitutional power to declare war and control the purse which is controlled by Republicans. Trump and Republicans are showing weakness and appeasement.