The Legacy: Started WW3 to protest a democratic election.

Man I didn't even realize it but you're more right than I ever thought ! We should get on the ball and start throwing bombs into Russia and see if we can all practice hiding under our desk again in school.

That's what we really need right now. We need to get into a hot war with Russia and possibly start lobbing nuclear weapons back and forth.

Because after all, if Ukraine falls it's the end for all of us !!!!

We should see if we can give Ukraine another 100 billion dollars in the next month or so

 

Escalated the war with whom? NATO? The US? Or maybe just Ukraine?

 

So we should have World War III in order to protect Ukraine? A country that we don't even have treaty obligations with is worth World War III?

 

Part of Moldova anyway. I think the Russians want Transnistria.

 

""Putin who escalated by putting North Korea troops on the ground""

So Biden and Commie-la sends Ukraine
$180 billion,
jets,
tanks,
missiles,
cluster bombs,
HIMARS,
(TOW) missiles,
Howitzers,
High Speed Anti- Radiation Missiles,
Javelins,
Stingers,
VAMPIRE system,
Scan Eagle Unmanned Aerial Systems,
Harpoons,
Mi-17 helicopters,
Puma unmanned aerial systems,
Switchblades,
writes off $4 billion in "loans"
and many more...

but Putin is the one escalating????????

 

Again:

If the Ukrainians decide to give up the territory they lost in 2014 or the additional territory they've lost since 2022, that's up to them, but that decision doesn't obligate us to protect them.

But if you're hell bent for the U.S. to protect them you should encourage them to give up all the territory they've lost since 2014 because it will make it easier for Ukraine to enter NATO. Personally, I think they should fight for every inch of territory they want to keep, but again that's not my decision to make. It's theirs.

 

Why do you MAGA people keep blaming the victim??

 

Why do you keep not blaming your president and administration for escalating and feeding this war...

Thanks to Trump we may well have peace talks that will end the conflict... instead of WE THE PEOPLE paying to get people killed...

 

Unfortunately, it would seem that Vlad the Invader has already dropped his calling card. Every time he targets a country for one of his adventures in revanchist aggression he starts handing out Russian passports:

Russia’s Policy of Passport Proliferation
https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-policy-passport-proliferation

First Georgia, then Ukraine. Putin's been very predictable in this regard, but what separates Ukraine and Georgia from Moldova is the naval base at Sevastopol. I think Putin's decision to invade Georgia in 2008 and build a base for the Black Sea Fleet in Abkhazia was prompted by Ukraine's declaration that it would not renew Russia lease on the base at Sevastopol. However, I think the weakness, fecklessness and little plastic reset buttons of the incoming Obama Administration convinced Putin that he could seize Sevastopol and the Crimean Peninsula surrounding it with little effort, expense and consequences, and in 2014 he proved this right. Furthermore, I believe the reason Putin invaded Ukraine a second time in 2022 was to establish a land bridge in eastern Ukraine between Russia and the Crimean Peninsula and, of course, the Black Sea Fleet's base at Sevastopol. If you look at a map of the territory Russia has seized and most assuredly will annex in the future, you will see quite readily that he has achieved this objective, and I'm sure this wannabe Peter the Great is willing to send all the cannon fodder it takes to fight and die to hold on to that territory.

So, Putin has obviously been eyeing Transnistria and Moldova may be next, but there is little strategic motivation to do so in my estimation. I could be wrong, but the cheap regard Putin has for Russian life leads me to believe that he really doesn't care about the ethnic Russians in eastern Moldova. What he does care about is land, and most particularly land that Tsar Vladimir considers strategically important to Mother Rashka. Transnistria doesn't really fit the bill, imo, and the lousy state of his army and its logistical ineptitude doesn't make seizing and permanently occupying that region very practical.

That being said, it's entirely possible that Putin's strategic objectives may have already been fulfilled and we've seen the last of his revanchist adventurism, but I must admit that he appears to have gotten more reckless in recent years. It's not Moldova I worry about it's the Baltic States, but fortunately for them they are members of NATO and enjoy the security benefits that come with that.

That's my long-winded two cents on the subject, and if either one of you have any thoughts in response I'd be genuinely interested to hear them.

 

I think that Putin does in fact care about ethnic Russians, or at least having any ethnic Russians who want to to be under the control of the Russian Federation to be able to do so. Transnistria exists because the ethnic Russians who lived there were afraid to be under Moldovan rule. They assumed it would be payback time for ethnic Russians who lived in non Russian, former Iron Curtain countries. Given the shutdown of the use of Russian language in schools, that seems to be somewhat correct. There are Russian troops in Transnistria right now and have been there for years, under the guise of protecting the ethnic Russian minorities who live there.

So to your article, I would say two things.

First, It's not a case of either land or ethnic Russians. Why can't it be both? I think Putin both wants to recover strategic lands and protect ethnic Russians.

Secondly, the Russian plan of passport distribution to ethnic Russians outside of Russia works because those people want Russian passports. They look towards Moscow, not the West.

 

For me it is real simple. America obliterated Nagasaki with a single 20 kiloton bomb. Russia has an ICBM with 18 nuclear warheads each with a payload of 200-500 kilotons. That is one ICBM in an inventory of thousands. That single ICBM could extinguish all life in Chicago. Russian ICBMs have been retrofitted with hypersonic technology that is unstoppable and Americans cannot match.

I have a thing called self-preservation. Am I willing to gamble my life and the lives of everybody I love for a country I couldn't give less of a damn about? The answer is no. The American people's answer is also no as they voted for Trump to end this insanity. The American leaders who oked missile strikes into Russia are guilty of war crimes and should be treated as the absolute scum they are. No sane person would have oked it. These idiots want a nuclear war.

 

Um, he is 'losing it all in a war with US/NATO' RIGHT NOW. Thats the whole point. We've called ALL the bluffs except nuclear war. Thats the only card he's got left to play. The ONLY thing stopping him playing his last card is the hope that Trump can/will negotiate a ceasefire.

Even if thats how it plays out, this is going down in the history books as Biden's USA begging for nuclear MAD, and best case scenario, Putin's Russia weathering it with the cooler head and Trump's USA finding a road to peace.

2 months is a LONG time for Putin's restraint to be the only thing preventing the nuclear destruction of modern civilization.

 

So many assumptions so little evidence. Russia wants Ukraine as a disarmed buffer between them and NATO and they don't care if it is a huge money sink for the west to repair. They are slowly working toward that already. They need moldova like they need a double hernia.

 

Can you share your evidence on what Russia will do after Ukraine is forced to surrender?

 

Is it not obvious? They had to call in 100 k koreans to help with Ukraine pretty much alone. Note that may well do more damage to Russia long term than the war itself. Remember the The North Korean army defectors a few years ago that were exceedingly malnourished and rife with intestinal worms. Note also you are missing another bit of evidence Chruchill had beyond Austria and the demand for the Sudetenland "Mein Kampf" which pretty much announced Hitler's plans in advance. No such documentation exists for Putin.

 

No, it's not obvious. Please share the evidence.

Putin struggles with Ukraine because the West, including the US, is helping, and my question was what Russia will do after Ukraine is forced to surrender by Trump jumping to Putin side.

 

First he isn't getting all of the Ukraine. It's doubtful it he even wants it at this point It would be a decades long project just to rebuild the infrastructure enough to support an army moving through it. I think he would be more than happy for recognition of the status quo plus the eastern bank of the river is it the Dnister?

 

No, he's not.

1) If the U.S. and/or NATO had sent a sizeble ground force consisting of multiple divisions into Ukraine to counter Russia's invasion - which we haven't - his pathetic excuse for an army would have been expelled from that country a long time ago.

2) Take a look at this map and the Russian-occupied areas in pink:



Putin has seized a sizable amount of territory in eastern Ukraine, and if I'm correct, he has already achieved his strategic objective in his 2022 invasion, which is to establish a land bridge between the Crimean Peninsula (and the Black Sea Fleet's base in Sevastopol) and Russia. If the war ended today, he will have won.

Nonsense. He can play the Withdrawal Card and carry his goon squads back to Russia where they belong.

As for the nuclear card, Putin is not suicidal enough to play that, nor does he need to play it. All he has to do is rattle his saber and the cucks masquerading as "leadership" in Europe and the U.S. will tuck their tails between their legs and duck under their desks as they always do.

You're kidding, right?

It is Putin's hot-headedness and utter lack of restraint that is responsible for this entire situation in the first place, including the threat of bringing the world to the brink of nuclear war, and if he is stupid enough to take this conflict nuclear it will be his own damned fault and his alone. Had he not invaded Ukraine in 2022 we wouldn't be having this conversation.

As for the Obiden kakistocracy, there is no question that their cowardice encouraged Putin's lack of restraint and revanchist aggression. As was the case in 2014 when he walked all over Obama and little plastic reset button, he knew there would be little to no consequences for his current invasion of Ukraine, and the pros of seizing a land bridge to the Crimean Peninsula and Sevastopol far outweighed the cons. However, Obama and Biden aren't the only cowards who deserve to be called out here, there are the cowards in Europe who failed to deter Putin, too, and the same can be said for all of them vis a vis Iran and the war it instigated in the Middle East. Cowardice begets chaos.

 

Lets see if we can get on the same page here... First off, is firing missiles into a nation's military bases, to destroy them, 'war', or 'not war'?

 

We don't even know if Biden is calling the shots.

But, we do know who will be, shortly



The Military Industrial Complex is cashing in, one more time, before Trump restores sanity.