The Looming Ukraine Debacle. MOD ALERT

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  1. Joe knows

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    Really it’s no different reason than when the US supplied Afghans weapons to fend off the Russians. Not about strength, it’s about geopolitical influence for sure. I agree with you for the most part, I just think it’s a bit more complex than that. I also wouldn’t understand why anyone living in a western country would want Russia to have more influence. That’s a position of a losing argument
     
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    Why would I do that....and expose my business ess contact to you.:)

    What's warm?....above 0?
     
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    Ukraine could use F-16s in major counteroffensive in 2025 | Lord Dannatt
     
  4. zoom_copter66

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    Must be Fake news....where's this 300 Sq km?
     
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  5. Bill Carson

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    Your new propaganda channel of choice? :laughing: 2025? What about 2024? Is the thinking they'll round up 3-400,000 draft dodgers in Poland by then? :juggle:
    Newsflash, Putin doesn't want anything to do with the ukrainian (polish gopnik) areas of "the ukraine". Even the parts of "the ukraine" that was Russia until 1917/1991. Anywhere majority polish gopnik = not interested in the headache. :nod:
     
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    Where did all the money for fortifications go?

    The Russian forces can easily progress because the money allocated for fortifications in the Kharkiv and Sumy regions was paid to fictitious companies <<<<<( embedded link Pravda UA) without any trenches ever being build (machine translation):

    Multi-million contracts for the construction of fortifications, for which they spent a total of 7 billion hryvnias there, were transferred by the Kharkiv OVA to front companies of avatars.
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    It so happened that the department of the Kharkiv OVA for defense purchases chose newly registered no-name firms and FOPs. Moreover, the owners of these firms do not resemble successful businessmen and businesswomen-they have dozens of court cases, from whiskey theft to domestic violence against their husband and mother, some of them are deprived of parental rights and have had enforcement proceedings for loans in banks.
    Another interesting detail-it seems that these beneficiaries do not even know that they are millionaires. After all, they continue to work in shifts" in the fields " and factories.
     
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    What was Blinken doing in Kiev today? I don't think it was cheerleading ..... :cheerleader:
     
  8. Bill Carson

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    You know it's bad when the top ukie propaganda outlet is saying hundreds of millions of dollars have been stolen
    Probably checking in on his portion of the money laundering cut.
     
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    Why is Pootler in Beijing?....I suspect on his knees asking Xi for $$$ and hardware?

    This will cost Pootler more real estate in Siberia....Woogsie....:grin::-D

    Chinos are already renaming former RuZzian oblasts....:roflol:
     
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    You can choose to believe the propaganda all you like, "Bill." Ukraine has been much more short on equipment than men so far. Their reliance on conscription to fill the ranks merely reflects caution on their part as well as the reality of the population difference between them and the evil empire.

    As for 2024, we shall see. F-16s are only slated to arrive sometime this summer, so that may be a bit soon for them to start operating efficiently in a major offensive. Most likely they will spend some time on defensive duties while the UAF works on making such a significant transition in air power, while also preparing for the next major counteroffensive, which of course will also depend on getting more supplies of other kinds brought in. Your party caused problems by holding up aid for several months.
     
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    Everybody's looking for someone to blame. Zelensky's legal term ends next week. Should be interesting, since Russia will no longer recognize him as president.
     
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    Excuses are like bung holes....everybody has one. The much hyped vunder veapons....a bit too soon to use? :applause::laughing: That's funny D. Probably will have NATO pilots from the get go so's why the hold up? They'll be shot down just in time for the election. Fall faster than Biden on stairs...or possibly his poll numbers.:D

    Got my popcorn ready for that debacle :nod:
     
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    It'll be fun watching Kerch crash & burn "Bill"....I've got beer and popcorn for that $hitshow....
     
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    We shall see.
     
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    I enjoy seeing the subtle nervousness of the posts by the cheer team here....when F16s are mentioned....:)
     
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    OMG .. Can U Dig it .. "Cheer Team" -- aka Orc Orc Cheer Team .. Team Leader . is stealing my material >> LOLOLOLOLO ;) ha ha ha ha

    Willy .. ya got to see this ..

    U remember the Azov Neo-Nazi Band Camp photo's Right ! .. this the group Congress labeled an Extremist Neo Nazi and say no cash allowed ..
     
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    The only thing he has is projection....so's it's expected. Sis BOOM......sorry a Lancet blew up the rest of the cheer. :):cheerleader:
     
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    Sounds like someone filled their drawers....or an air biscuits at the very least....so easily triggered....:roflol:
     
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    Zoomer .. imitation the most sincere form of flattery .. but.. "filling drawers like baby" -- doing some air biscuit Orc Orc cheer .. " "triggered" by the memory of band camp perhaps ? ..

    Now listen carefully Zoom .. be serious for a moment .. got some news for you of import. The Azov Team .. what's left of them .. don't want to fight no more .. weapons have yet to make it to the line in any significant amount .. Ukraine getting rolled . having one of the worst days of the war .. 1500 dead .. a force that is already dreadfully short of human capital .. that is a big deal ..

    Straight from the Kremlin Zoomer -- Lavrov say -- Kh

    The Russians simply walked in, Ukrainian troops in Kharkiv tell BBC
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c72p0xx410xo

    Just a sad situation Zoomer .. and that is with the Pro Ukraine BBC spin .. the reality is dreadfully much worse .. Zelensky looking more and more like Adolf .. "We will fight to every last man .. make what ever sacrifice necessary" or better perhaps Stalin ..
     
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    Have some other woofing you like to do?
     
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    "Actually...I don't drive a car...it's an extended cab 4×4 turbo diesel truck, viska, 2024 model year, want a pic?:)" These are your words. You suggested to send a picture. Now you refuse to do that. I assume then that you do not have neither any truck, nor even a bicycle. :mrgreen:
     
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    cheaper energy. Our bills doubled in UK once we banned russian energy. Obviously our politicians don't care because they're all millionaires
     
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    ...didn't Johnson make one a Lord....I'm sure he made shoved one of the Oligarchs into the House of Lords....
     
  25. Joe knows

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    It wasn’t banned in spite of the citizen. It was banned to hurt them. Obviously it didn’t though.
     

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