The Looming Ukraine Debacle

I am saying that your reaction to the fact of drowned civilians is a reaction of an assshole.

 

Karma is b**ch it seems...ain't it?

 

Notv

It is not the US to blame Russia for the airplane crash that itself shot down an Iranian airplane in 1988. Your international investigators are just a bunch of bought "experts".

 

Bought "experts"....

Yes....I understand you're rather annoyed by RuZzia getting caught with its pants down by all its crimes...visko.

I recall you going all out blaming Ukraine for Crocus Hall attack.

You wanted it to be Ukraine...all other "evidence" be damned.

 

Yes. And that raises 2 issues.

First, it’s apparent that Russia stole Crimea for the ports and then went on to steal a route to the ports in Eastern Ukraine. Its motivations are transparent.

Second, it’s been lying about its motives. The low credibility makes its claim that Ukraine is committing “war crimes” less believable. Especially since Russia is the aggressor and Ukraine is restoring its own territory!

Are you posting from a troll farm?

 

Yes, I am posting from a troll farm. Russia did not steal Crimea. Crimea was stolen from Russia in the middle of 20th century. In 2014 it returned back. Has not been a coup organized by the US, the peninsula would still be in Ukraine. Noone in Russia wants Crimea to be the base for NATO fleet. Punkt. In fact, the people in Crimea voted to separate from Ukraine. Second, Russia does not care if you believe or not in Ukrainian crimes.

 

Crimea was stolen from RuZzia?

So what's about Vyborg, Konigsberg,Kurils, ....there must've been referendums back then?

Moldova and Tranistria were also stolen....these are fake creations btw....real name is Bessarabia...Romanian territory.


True...RuZzia doesn't care....it'll just continue to try to destroy, lie, deflect, etc....claiming "the devil made me do it".

And posters like yourself will claim it's all somehow justified....

 

Russia has been treated so poorly and unfairly! I bet Vladimir Putin has sobbed himself to sleep on hundreds of nights. That poor man!

 

My objection wasnt referring to the points you made. I would have Russia expected to attack with far more advanced equipment in the first place, it turns out they failed in the step towards serial production of their best equipment. Even at the start of the campaign Ukraine faced mainly the T-72 instead of the T-14. Same with their best aircrafts, etc. now it is hopefully too late for them anyway as the sanctions limit their access to chips and electronic devices. The backbone of their army is equipment of the Cold War era, which wasnt to be expected at the start.

Furthermore I also stated, I believe that this will end up in desaster for Russia. No matter how cynical your approach to human lives is, for all industrialized societies the fertility rate is gone down so far, that almost all societies have a problem with an aging population, for Russia the problem is pretty tough, but their military doctrine is from a time in which Russian and Soviet leaders calculated that they have such an excess of young men, its an unlimited ressource. You mentioned the losses, not even mentioning that even more young men are fleeing from Russia due to the danger of being wasted as cannon fooder. These men wont come back, they wont join the workforce for the economy anymore, they wont found families, it will strike a permanent blow to Russia's potential unlike in the times from when their military doctrines are. It can lead to complete collapse in the long run, but thats something we can only slightly influence. I took into account that this will propably end up in desaster for Russia in the long run, no matter how their war turns out. By the way, we dont know what a collapse of Russia will bring, it can replace one problem by another. Nationalist Turkey, Islamists in Russia which could at some point take over, China's growing influence in the East, we dont know what the future will bring and who will benefit from a collapse of Russia.

The points in which I was contradicting were

1. Russia is already completely de-industrialized and cant bring in new weapons. Although the Russian industry isnt particularly impressive, all is focused on the war right now and right now they outproduce the West significantly (which can change, but takes some determination).
2. Russia is doomed to make the same tactical mistakes over and over again and we can rely on that.

The problem is Russia is going all in. It is planning to recruit over 200 K new soldiers per year in the coming years (of course there is a limit, but thats what they are capable of to bring in the next years), it switched to a complete war economy which is right now outproducing the West (the combined production capabilities of the US and the Europeans would be 20-30 times bigger, so, the West doesnt even have to go all in like Russia, but whats coming up at the moment isnt enough) and there is a potential danger under two to three conditions that the US withdraws out of the European war and Europe isnt taking this war serious enough like e.g. Germany is doing right now and especially if the Europeans can be devided by Putin and dont agree to focus together on stopping Putin. Quite a lot which has to come together for Russia to have a chance to win this war against the West, but Putin plays just hazard since Feb 2022 and he is going for this scenario. As said, I cannot imagine Russia being able to keep such an empire even in the case they won this war for Eastern or even Middle Europe, but the damage they can do until their house of card will be collapsing is enormous.

 

Koenigsberg went to Soviet Union according to the agreements in Potsdam conference. UK and US agreed to that and signed the agreement. This was a payment to Soviet Union for the destruction of many cities in USSR by Germany. As for Crimea, it went to Ukraine from Russian Federation because Khruschev with his buddies decided so. No discussion on the meetings of the Communist party was done at that time, as well as no referendums. When USSR existed that was not a problem. But when it collapsed it became an issue.

 

Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore....Germany re United....basically all those "agreements" are null and void...visko.

Basically seems everything is an "issue" with Mafiosi these days.

No worries....after all this clown show is over....Far East will be new Chinese territory.

They've already made the new maps I understand.

 

If you do not know, I will educate you. Russia is an assignee of the USSR. It has taken over all the debts of the USSR etc, and all the agreements signed with USSR are valid for Russia now. Who did tell you about the Far East? Your voices from UFO forums?

 

There are already living a lot of Chinese people. Russia itself delivered a blue print how you justify taking over these territories and in this case China could refer to its own history to take its old territories back. Its not too far fetched, that this could happen one day.

 

There are a lot of Chinese people everywhere, including the US and Europe. It means nothing. Germany is full of Turkish people. There are more Turkish people in Germany, than Chinese people in Russia. In this sense Germany has more chances to become one of Turkey provinces, than Far East to become Chinese.

 

What agreements with USSR are valid now?...Baltics are NATO and EU....those are null & void.

There's 500K to a million Chino migrants in Mafiosi, visko....that's just the beginning, after this "fiasco" is over....Vladivostok will be new Chinese territory.

 

Yeah, it's documented that the ukies are criminals and committed genocide.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions

"(Berlin) – Ukrainian government forces used cluster munitions in populated areas in Donetsk city in early October 2014, Human Rights Watch said today. The use of cluster munitions in populated areas violates the laws of war due to the indiscriminate nature of the weapon and may amount to war crimes."

The Malaysian government didn't buy the west's bullshit conclusion either. You know, the owners of the downed airplane. Go ask 'war hero' John Kerry about the satellite tracking he said the USG had. Once they figured out it was the Neo-nazi ukies, John Kerry and the state department didn't produce any tracking.

 

October 2014 " Bill"?....10 years late.

 

Funny how the fascists can't seem to present any more evidence of this alleged genocide than Trump and friends could of the alleged 2020 electoral fraud.

 

Baah .. "Genocide" .. The Azov Nazi's did not kill enough to be calling it Genocide IMO .. but who cares .. was definitely war crimes .. Plenty of that going on .. violations of international law .. Pogroms terrorism .. Generalized Persecution of the Ethnic Russians. Which ignited a civil war .. Russia helping the Ethnic Russians defend themselves against the Azov Nazi ands Ukraine military. US building up the Ukraine Army during this time and violating the Minsk accord .. eventually necessitating the Special Denazification Operation .. which is now getting into the closing phases .. the resistance crumbling ..

 

What a trololol. In many border regions to China - and these are the regions we are talking about here as China will sooner or later reclaim them for itself, as they prepare already in their school books, maps with Chinese names etc. - Chinese people are there in significant numbers and for a casus belli the truth is irrelevant, China can just claim they are supressed like Russia did in the Ukriane. Russia's far east is in general not very populated (while in the European part of Russia there are living about 140 million people before the war and its refugee issues, there were about 5 million in the Asian part of Russia). There isnt much resistance to fear for China if it simply occupies that regions at some point, because Russia wont have capabilities for its east preparing for a war against the West for decades to come.

Right now, China wont play it that way, at the moment they are better off by completely dominating Russia, making it a dependent puppet state. The option to outright occupy it will be back on the table if Russia lost all of its value for China and becomes more of a burden than an asset.

Funny you see Germany endangered for a Turkish occupation, tell me just quickly, from which border will Turkey invade? Do you know what you are talking about at all? You know who was really rolled up by the Turkish puppet state of Azerbadjan? The Russian peace keeping forces in Armenia. Azerbaijan, which would not have dared to look at Russian soldiers the wrong way before 2022 just raided and killed them. They knew they have the mightier ally with Turkey and that Russia cant do anything against it. So they just rolled them up.

 

Chinese prepare fake schoolbooks? Can you display an image of one where they show that Far East is a territory of China? You tell- lots of Chinese people in Russia. How many? You are not specific. In Germany, for example there is around 3 000 000 Turkish people.. The Turkey will invade from air. You have a very good air connection to Istambul. You do not need to have a joint earth or sea border to get invaded. African and Asian migrants for EU is much more problem then Chinese migrants for Russia, first because there are simply more such migrants in EU than in Russia, second, because you have no much territory to accommodate all of them.

 

totally agree....and much earlier in most cases...for example there is anecdotal evidence again from the Amur region that Russia is restoring mothballed and even cannibalized BMP-1's but they can call these items "new" because they are bolting on the 675-sb3KDZ protection kits....

An interesting article. I had a slightly different take on this passage though - I was thinking that based on the demographic collapse underway in the CIS, that Russia really only has 6-10 years left for it to complete its expansion and anchor it's western borders. I have significant doubts on Russia's ability to re-arm and re-equip whilst the likes of Shoigu/Putin are still in charge at the MOD....Shoigu, his Generals and the corresponding organised crime syndicates attached to the MOD have extracted nearly...what.... 66% of funds destined for equipment etc over the last 20 years? The current mobilisation of the MIC can only be a further windfall for these guys; the level of corruption is so ingrained within the whole MOD design, procurement and production chain I cannot see any reason why the same proportion of funds won't continue to be reallocated to personal accounts....to be frank....I suppose it's in Ukraine's interests to keep the likes of Putin and Shoigu et al in place as any changes could see money destined for the MOD actually going into genuine new equipment! Maybe they'll even get a proper engine for T14....

 

Thats rich, a fake Russian, pretending to understand Mandarin.

https://cepa.org/article/goodbye-vladivostok-hello-haishenwai/

Tbh, I am not sure how to react on that. Someone who claims to be Russian in his bio, who thinks his own country is ethnic monolith, making statements that Germany has a problem with immigration, who seems to believe that 3 million Turks in Germany clearly outnumber non-ethnic Russians and who thinks immigration is the same as an invasion. I am not talking about mass immigration from China, in case you were unable to read it. I am talking about China using its minority to claim its surpressed and simply occupying parts of Siberia, you dont have to have hundred of millions of Chinese in the center of Moscow to make that up.

I get more and more the impression that I talk to a Hillybilly who gives a fake Russian in a forum. Because its very unlikely that a Russian never heard of non-ethnic Russians in Russia, never seen one and thinks Germany has a problem with being too diverse. Lets give it just a short reality check, which country to you think has the much higher share of Muslim people, Germany or Russia? In which country is the bigger ethnic diversity, you see as the problem of Germany? Russia or Germany? Whose military was attacked and rolled up by a Turkish puppet in the Caucasus? Which country has a larger problem with Islamists? Germany or Russia?

Its hard to believe you are Russian, tbh.

 

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Warsaw Pact fell like the Russian Federation will fall. In the United States California, Texas, and New York state each have a gross domestic product equal to all of Russia. For centuries Russia has been a prison camp of nations.

 

How many bases does Russia have in North America? How many bases does the US have near Russia? Remember when the US broke their promise not to expand NATO which many US diplomats said would provoke Russia? Anyone with a room temperature IQ could have figured that out.