The media lies SO MUCH - and stupid Americans chat the lies furiously

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  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many times have you heard there has always been a "peaceful orderly transfer of power" after an election? They chat it, repeat it, over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over - under the Nazi Joseph Goebels theory of repeat a lie enough times and censor anyone attempting to say otherwise and it becomes the truth - now defined the US media 100% owned by the richest corporations and people in the history of earth. The BEST lies are the ones you can get EVERYONE to believe.

    There was no CIVIL WAR as a dispute concerning the election of Abraham Lincoln. It never happened at all. For the 620,000 war military death, 3 times in the military and civilian population died from diseases the war caused. Over 2 million. Given the USA only had 31 million Americans at the time, that equated to over 20,000,000 Americans today that dies as the result of an election outcome dispute.

    But there was no Civil War. Never happened. Nor any other the other intensely disputed election outcomes. Unless it comes to tearing down statutes - and then nothing more ever happened than the Civil War.

    Why does anyone believe 1 word from corporate propaganda media? They so much openly and blatantly lie I am convinced they go out of their way to do so - just to laugh at how stupid, submissive and gullible nearly all people are.
     
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    Sometimes I end up debating with someone who bases all his or her opinions on mainstream info. I link to this post when that happens.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...germany-in-1933.401955/page-2#post-1066548138

    Some of the links are dead. I should redo it. I think I will.
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    http://www.thismodernworld.org/arc/1993/93short-attention-span.gif
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=chomsky+media&aq=f
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/MediaControl_Chomsky.html
    http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199710--.htm
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/media_watch.html
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Propaganda/Propaganda_page.html
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media_control_propaganda/Media_Control.html
    http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/official_culture.htm
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman/Propaganda_System_One.html

    William Schaap & Louis Wolff - Air date: 07-13-98


    William Schaap - Media, CIA, FBI, and Disinfo 1


    FOX News Whistle blowers. UNBELIEVABLE!!!




    We are lied to about history.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/american-imperialism.371897/


    At about the 30 minute mark of this video a scientist says that science fraud is common.

    Global Nuclear Coverup an interview with Leuren Moret



    Scientists at the Rand Corporation say that depleted uranium is safe.
    https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/b04151999_bt170-99.htm

    There are other scientists who say the opposite.
    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=depleted+uranium&FORM=HDRSC3
    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=depleted uranium iraq birth defects&qs=BT&form=QBIR&sp=2&pq=depleted uranium iraq &sk=BT1&sc=3-22&cvid=CE37EFE9103D497EA29DDE8AECAE4748&first=1&tsc=ImageHoverTitle

    I would say the RAND scientists are being paid by the US government to lie.


    Here's a scientists who says that it's impossible to get something published in a science journal if it goes against the official version.

    (00:16 time mark)

    Here's another case of official mainstream journals publishing untrue information.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1m3TjokVU4
    (1:36:40 time mark)

    It's clear that the government can find scientists willing to sell out and lie.


    Also, look at the top of post #1 here.
    http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0

    I pointed out a lie that Americans are taught.


    Here's something relevant.
    https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence...sychology/278-part-1-preface-and-introduction
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    If anyone finds himself or herself debating with someone who bases his or her opinions on American mainstream info, post a link to this post.

    Tell them about the paid sophists who work the internet too.
    https://www.clubconspiracy.com/counter-intellegience-tricks-and-techniques-t4702.html

    If the above link is dead, copy and paste in a sentence from this excerpt between quotation marks "" in http://www.bing.com/ .

    (excerpt)
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    Planting of provocateurs (and sleeper agents, etc.). These people will vary from the posters who suddenly show up one day under an alias attacking regular posters, to people who seem like regular posters themselves. They may work in teams, supporting each other and giving the illusion of popular support on the net. (Remember, net IDs are basically free, and one person can have many.) As cointelpro showed, there is little that is more poisonous to an organization than to have it tear itself apart from the inside with accusations of moles. (The CIA knows all about this from its own mole hunts.) Moles love to accuse others of being moles; then again, there are real moles. You have to judge for yourself who to listen to or what to believe.
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    Does anyone have anything to add to this list?
     
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    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another conspiracy theory filled angry rant... How surprising...
     
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    It looks like info to me. Please point out something you call a rant.
     
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    This is relevant.

    Cognitive Dissonance
    https://www.doceo.co.uk/l&t/learning/dissonance.htm
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    Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon which refers to the discomfort felt at a discrepancy between what you already know or believe, and new information or interpretation. It therefore occurs when there is a need to accommodate new ideas, and it may be necessary for it to develop so that we become "open" to them. Neighbour (1992) makes the generation of appropriate dissonance into a major feature of tutorial (and other) teaching: he shows how to drive this kind of intellectual wedge between learners' current beliefs and "reality".

    Beyond this benign if uncomfortable aspect, however, dissonance can go "over the top", leading to two interesting side-effects for learning:

    • if someone is called upon to learn something which contradicts what they already think they know — particularly if they are committed to that prior knowledge — they are likely to resist the new learning. Even Carl Rogers recognised this. Accommodation is more difficult than Assimilation, in Piaget's terms.
    • and—counter-intuitively, perhaps—if learning something has been difficult, uncomfortable, or even humiliating enough, people are less likely to concede that the content of what has been learned is useless, pointless or valueless. To do so would be to admit that one has been "had", or "conned".
     
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    Your information illiteracy isn’t an excuse to attack the media.
     
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    Please give a specific example of my information illiteracy.
     
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    I was talking to the op.

    So I guess this post?
     
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    You didn't make it clear.
     
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    "The media lies SO MUCH - and stupid Americans chat the lies furiously"

    are you refering to newsmax and fox?
     
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    What news are you watching/reading? There have been several pieces reported covering all the transitions of power throughout history. There were some, certainly, who did not attend the inauguration of their defeater. But in modern history I know of no violent transitions. So which transition are you referring to when you suggest that the 'peaceful orderly transfer of power' is a lie?
     
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    Sure. I’m sure you will think that.
     
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    This post (#1087) has the Apollo stuff you addressed.
    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487&page=44&p=4731597&viewfull=1#post4731597

    Anyone who takes the time to read what you said in your link can see how lame it is. You sidestep the points I make.

    Example:
    I wasn't saying that they kill all anti-establishment pundits. I was saying that what he says is true, The American media give us an upside-down view of reality. Tell us whether you think Chomsky's analysis of the media reflects reality.


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    This is from the bottom of your link.

    My main argument is that if a whistle-blower tried to go public, the mainstream media would ignore him or her. It would be impossible to get the story out.
     
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  16. Betamax101

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    Any excuse to spam your cat droppings.

    You aren't the spokesperson for "anyone" and my statements are not "lame".

    Bullshit.

    A pathetic and ignorant generalisation from miniscule unrelated conspiracy claims.

    Chomsky, the man that says 911 was not an inside job. You are a joke! You selectively believe this person whilst claiming he has been "got at".

    And quite patently absurd given the vast number of people freely able to post on social media! You are in full denial or are very dumb.
     
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    Start watching this at the 10:00 time mark.

    Alfred Schaefer 2014 “The Gatekeepers of 9/11“ HD


    Chomsky obviously doesn't even believe what he's saying. I think the most likely explanation is that some goons from the government paid him a visit and made him an offer he couldn't refuse.


    I might as well just post stuff for the viewers to see as you seem to be suffering from invincible ignorance*.



    9/11 in the Academic Community - Winner Univ. of Toronto Film Festival (2013)
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...?q=9-11+in+the+Academic+Community&FORM=HDRSC3


    Here's a guy that got blown away before 9/11.
    https://www.google.es/search?hl=en&...oq=&gws_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=rRbFWcHXGc35wALuuq2ICw

    Look at the stuff he used to write.
    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html
    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html
    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-chichile.htm

    Informing large groups of people about stuff the government doesn't want us to be informed about is dangerous.

    Mysterious Deaths of 9 11 Witnesses (MUST SEE) - YouTube.flv



    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...orted-9-11-terrorists.456423/#post-1066183060



    *
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible_ignorance_fallacy
     
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    It ain't that difficult ... unless you are a friggin' little man-child like Trump ...

    AFP_KE9VQ-1024x725.jpg
     
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    Hey Betamax...

    In post #14 you posted this link.
    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com/2011/07/whistleblowers-governments-and-lies.html

    Here's an excerpt from it.
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    Another wall of spam - wow! It should be taken as read that corruption in government is a given. There are all sorts of behind the scenes activities, subvertive motives and undisclosed operations. It is primarily a matter of establishing and keeping American interest abroad. Some of it sucks badly.
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    That is your answer to this link from post #2.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/american-imperialism.371897/

    That was pretty lame. Tell us whether you agree with what the American media and the education system say, that the US defends freedom and democracy in the world, or what the info in that link says, that the US overthrows democratically elected leaders in small countries and installs puppet dictators that let American companies steal their resources.
     
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    No it wasn't.

    Who is "us"?

    "The OP fails to set and define a basis for respectful debate, and instead creates a laundry list of unrelated subjects."

    Further, the OP is deluded, posts off topic debunked crap and is a serial forum spammer. God knows what his goals are, but the world is slowly turning into an asylum full of crank conspiracy theorists. No amount of reasoned response will sway his crazy path.
    Debunking The Apollo Moon Hoax (debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com)
     
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    You are a complete joke. You post videos and commentary from good old Noah, then when he makes a major announcement about 911 not being an inside job, that 100% disagrees with you. He has been "got at". Pathetic.
     
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    Translation:
    I'm between a rock and a hard place on this one so I'd better sidestep the issue instead of addressing it directly. I'll look silly if I say the US government doesn't practice imperialism because my job is to try to keep Americans thinking inside the box but I can't say it does either for the same reason.

    An objective truth-seeker would take a stand on this issue.


    If you're going to bring up the Apollo issue, I'll address it. Here's a good summary of the hoax proof and my assessment of you.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ers-are-corrupt.441261/page-2#post-1072215068
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-moon-landing-is-fake.553296/page-11#post-1072198469
     
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    None needed. Besides, you couldn't translate a decent thought into reality.

    I have addressed it. The weapon is safe and it's effects minimal. Massive volumes of use are probably not safe. Equating the latter to lying about the former then using it as a means to generalise governments being dishonest is moronic in the extreme. But that's what you do.

    Listen jackass, my job is long gone. I'm retired. Your insinuation that the evil government somehow pays me to argue with imbeciles is noted.

    That counts you out then. You just automatically believe horseshit. You are the opposite of a truth seeker, your whole modus operandi is confirmation bias, diversion, evasion and repetition,

    Not brought up at all. But any excuse to splatter your cat droppings - you sad spammer.

    You post videos and commentary from good old Noam, then when he makes a major announcement about 911 not being an inside job, that 100% disagrees with you. He has been "got at". Pathetic.
     
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    I asked you to respond to post #20 which is about the issue of American imperialism. Instead, you responded to a different issue. Please respond to the issue of American imperialism.
     

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