The media lies SO MUCH - and stupid Americans chat the lies furiously

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    To sound like a broken record, when everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.

    Having been raised in a drug store, I can remember when prescription drugs could be advertised ONLY in professional journals. That is, prescription drugs could not be advertised directly to the public.

    Bill Clinton and Congress changed all that in 1996, demonstrating their obedience to the pharmaceutical industry. Playing on the human penchant for hypochondria, pharma and the media have been having it their way since 1996.

    The article from Off Guardian helps expose the widespread misinformation generated by the pharmaceutical industry. Unscrupulous doctors and scientists will write and say whatever they are paid to write and say.
     
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    Great news source. :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:That was total sarcasm.

    They didn’t seem to realize the protesters were at the old main location of the BBC. The BBC moved from there in 2013. The news source was too stupid, or did no fact checking, to understand that the protesters were protesting the BBC at the headquarters of ITV (a rival network). :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:

    The Police actually prevented the group from entering the Television Centre complex in west London, which houses apartments, eateries and TV studios that the BBC rents out to other broadcasters.
     
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    The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth that men prefer not to hear. Herbert Agar
     
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    The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth that men prefer not to hear. Herbert Agar
     
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    I'm going to continue a debate I'm having on another thread on the info in post #2 here.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...dly-blood-clots.606446/page-2#post-1073932470

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com/2011/07/whistleblowers-governments-and-lies.html

    I'm going to start with the depleted uranium issue. You seem to think this is the up-to-date government version of the dangers of depleted uranium.
    https://www.rand.org/pubs/papers/P8066.html
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    There has been extensive distortion in the media and on the Internet concerning the effects of DU, but the facts do not warrant such scare tactics. Sound, objective research by RAND, the World Health Organization, the Institute of Medicine, and the National Academy of Sciences has shown that exposure to DU does not produce any medically detectable effects.
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    After having seen this info below, the above looks like a typical government attempt at damage-control.
    https://www.bing.com/images/search?...fects&form=HDRSC2&first=1&tsc=ImageHoverTitle

    Talk - Dr. Doug Rokke - Depleted Uranium (DU)
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=depleted+uranium&&view=detail&mid=9970BF7603A6625981C69970BF7603A6625981C6&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=/videos/search?q=depleted+uranium&FORM=HDRSC3


    Beyond Treason (Depleted Uranium US-WMD Iraq War Veterans Dying 2005).divx.avi

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...u=/videos/search?q=Beyond+Treason&FORM=HDRSC3


    Do you think the government version reflects reality?
     
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    A debate already had years ago. There is something disturbingly wrong with your memory. Then again when you spam this horseshit so many times it must be difficult to keep up with all the ass kickings you receive!

    He quotes a link to a concise rebuttal then pretty much ignores the damn thing!

    Irrelevant. As stated numerous times, your pathetic generalisation of this to suggest all mainstream sources lie, is close to full delusion.

    Better than the batshit one. Use the search function - I gave you sufficient responses and time that a normal person would understand.
     
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    This pretty much destroys your credibility,.

    Watch this excerpt from "Beyond Treason".

    Beyond Treason (Depleted Uranium US-WMD Iraq War Veterans Dying 2005).divx2
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...nd+Treason&FORM=HDRSC3&form=VDRVSR&ajaxhist=0


    What do you think caused these birth defects?
    https://www.bing.com/images/search?...fects&form=HDRSC2&first=1&tsc=ImageHoverTitle

    Do you even suspect that it was depleted uranium? Do you still have unshakable faith in the American mainstream media?
     
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    Spam comment. You, a serial forum spammer, a spreader of batshit, one who has zero education in any subject you write in, have zero credibility. None. So your clueless assessment of my own has no meaning at all.

    Your pathetic spamming knows no bounds. I have already had this discussion with you.

    The same things as the last time you spammed this horseshit.
     
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    Either tell us, or link to where you said it. Do you still have unshakable faith in the American mainstream media?
     
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    You are a forum troll who spams so much you don't even remember. It is the simplest thing possible to use the forum search function, but even that simple thing seems to have you beaten.

    Who is "us"? Anyone with a clue can find it, the keywords are pretty simple too.
     
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    Translation: I'm checkmated but I can't recognize it because I can't admit I'm wrong so I'd better avoid answering his question. If I say he's wrong, I'll look silly. If I say he's right, I'll be admitting that I was wrong.

    I think the American mainstream media is the worst place to get information. Tell us what you think.
     
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    Only an imbecile can fail in using the search facility.

    ...bringing up a forum search on my userid and "depleted".

    Clueless. I am guessing that you are too ignorant to understand what happens to normal ordinance in a war zone,

    It is many times more preferable than the batshit websites you frequent. Your problem is that you don't actually understand anything you write about. You have the worst research skills I have ever seen.
     
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    No, I have investigated non-crank sources and no those birth defects were not caused by depleted uranium.

    Before you ask a question related to what I think, why don't you define what YOU meant by 'American mainstream information'.
     
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    So that's what you think of this info.

    Beyond Treason (Depleted Uranium US-WMD Iraq War Veterans Dying 2005).divx2
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?&q=Beyond+Treason&view=detail&mid=7F4862FA97CBF05B0EF07F4862FA97CBF05B0EF0&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=/videos/search?q=Beyond+Treason&FORM=HDRSC3&form=VDRVSR&ajaxhist=0

    Check out the comment section.

    Well, all the viewers have seen this. You're all washed up (again).


    Could you link to some of it so that we can discuss it?


    .See post #2.
     
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    And you, as always. failed to actually go confirm what I thought of it from my previous response! You don't have the relevant understanding to know anything you post about.

    That's what half-assed research with poor conclusions does when it has not been rebutted, right there the consequence of ignorance.

    You keep forgetting that is a double negative. You have no credibility, you specialize in getting your butt kicked.

    You're not qualified to discuss it and you just deny anything that doesn't reinforce your batshit. Nobody is denying that depleted uranium is a contributor to this awful situation(used to massive excess), but you are playing your pathetic "the government lied" card to generalize to other situations. The sheer volume of use by the US military is bound to have some negative consequence, but this does not alter that analysis made on its primary use. In a war zone, the major contributor to birth defects is the level of lead and mercury poisoning. This is the consequence of disintegration of ordinance, toxic chemicals from burn pits and a whole host of volatiles discarded and left.

    If the government were to analyze the use of lead in bullets and pronounce it "safe" would that mean they are lying about all the other bullshit you propose? Multiply the use of that bullet by several million and distribute the disintegrated fragments into the agricultural chain and all of a sudden the safety of the bullet becomes extremely volatile. It is a war-zone and the point of war is to kill the enemy. Regardless of whether I agree with this disgusting event, your use of the report on DU as postured for use, to decide that the "evil government" lies in everything they do, particularly Covid-19, is actually one of the most idiotic and dishonest things you could do. Is it less safe to use lead in bullets?

    Birth Defects and the Toxic Legacy of War in Iraq - MERIP
    "Given the onslaught of military toxic dumping in Iraq, from spent bombs and bullets to base-making, burn pits and junkyards, it is no surprise that widespread cancers and congenital anomalies, along with other major health issues in the civilian population, abound."

    "Another study found that newborns with birth defects carried a level of lead three times higher, and a level of mercury six times higher, than average children in Iran, who have traces of lead and mercury just slightly higher than in European countries.[15] In the Iraqi village of Hawija, levels of magnesium and titanium in children with birth defects were nearly double the average of their counterparts in Iran, while alarmingly high levels of cadmium and arsenic were found in samples taken from children with symptoms resembling cerebral palsy. These metals can account for a large number of neurological problems and underdevelopment in fetuses by causing folate depletion and subsequent underdevelopment of vital tissues.[16]"

    "Additionally, US bases in Iraq used burn pits to incinerate everything from computers to tires in large open-air pits that burned day and night for years. They released high levels of dioxin and innumerable other toxins that are known to cause health problems, from birth defects to neurological issues.

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    A US Air Force equipment manager tosses used uniform items into a burn pit at Balad Air Base, Iraq, 2008. Department of Defense photo by Senior Airman Julianne Showalter/US Air Force

    Burn pits are also linked to US veteran illnesses and sit at the root of campaigns for veteran healthcare.[18] For Iraqis living near burn pits, serious consequences for their long-term and intergenerational health continue to emerge. For example, some Iraqi babies born near Tallil Air Base were found to have neurological problems, congenital heart disease, paralyzed or missing limbs and elevated thorium in their bodies. The closer to the base, the higher their levels.[19]"

     
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    Thanks much for that video about DU.

    As one from the US Army in Vietnam, the harmful effects of Agent Orange have become well known to all. I was fortunate to have never been exposed to it, but many friends were. The Army didn't give a damn about US troops exposed to Agent Orange, and now we know the Army has the same attitude to the troops in the Gulf Wars.

    Now with Lloyd Austin mandating biological weapons be administered to all troops with the clot shots, we know nothing has changed at the Pentagon.

    FTA
     
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    Post 2 is a mishmash of links that do not explain what you mean by American mainstream information. I do not live in the USA, I do not watch American TV, I do not read American Newspapers at all unless somebody links to an interesting story and there is no pay-wall. I don’t get my opinions from any ‘mainstream’ news source. I find reliable information without having to go to mainstream or misinformation crank sites. Mainstream panders to what they think will be popular or important to the general public. The other end of the spectrum panders to people who think that the only source of true information is the misinformation they find on conspiracy driven, misinformation websites. At one end, you have people saying ‘don’t trust mainstream’ and at the other end you have people saying ‘don’t trust the conspiracy driven’ sources. Well, believe it or not — avoiding both for real factual information is the best way to go.

    Do you believe you are a good source of information, do you believe the sites you link to are good sources of information?

    When I consider sources: I look at the domain name; I look at the credentials of the author(s) -- related education and so forth; I look at the date of the source; I try to verify the authenticity and legitimacy of an article by looking at other reliable sites. I just don't search for sites that agree with something I believe.

    Sources like individual blogs, forums like this one, chat rooms should never be relied as sources of dependable information. You need to do more research to see if what a person is saying is reliable. You often link to your own posts here and to your posts on other forums but you are not a source of reliable information. Some might follow your links blindly because they might agree with you, but after consideration and research, you are not posting reliable sources.

    The best sources are written by experts, citations are used for sources, information is up-to-date, and the source contains unbiased analysis of the topic at hand -- basically, more than one perspective is considered.

    So, in a nutshell, your post #2 is full of unreliable links that contain really biased analyses of the things that you happen to believe in.
     
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    We can't take anything the government says seriously. If there's anything important going on, the government gives an upside-down version of what's really happening.

    The U.S. Government Does not Want You to Know the Truth About How the COVID Shots are Killing and Injuring People
    https://healthimpactnews.com/2023/t...-covid-shots-are-killing-and-injuring-people/
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    With almost half of the American public now convinced that the increase in “sudden deaths” is linked to the COVID-19 shots, it is time to understand that the U.S. Government does NOT serve and protect the people, but instead serves and protects the interests of Big Pharma, Big Tech, and the rest of the Wall Street Billionaires and bankers.
     
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    A totally ludicrous claim of involvement that would entail tens of thousands all keeping it secret. An even worse claim based on the incredible dishonesty found within pretty much every batshit link you spew out, is your double standards!

    The stunning irony in that statement. Post after post made by this guy contains disinformation that is downright dangerous. He totally ignores obvious deception and complete lies from his own sources then suggests that his lying sources are exposing the very thing they do to excess!


    See batshit, post batshit. Never check it!

    A complete lie. Based on what? Half of Americans? There is no increase in "sudden deaths", the increase is in bullshit movies claiming it, all from the same sources with the same repeated lies.
     
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    Ehm......so, who is telling you there was no Civil War?

    So, you are outraged because you feel the media says there has "always" been a peaceful transition without mentioning the civil war where the South didn't agree with a Northern man winning.......? All righty then.
     
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