the minimum wage: reality check

You aren't aware of Obamacare subsidies? Who do you think is paying up to 100% of a person's health care plan?

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...ordable-care-act-pays-for-insurance-subsidies

If you are ignorant of this, what else are you ignorant of? I guess whatever help you justify forcing your morals down the throats of everyone else.

 

^^ OP. General gist is "We need that nanny state to set our wages!!! Because only the nanny state can help us!!!! Government involvement in business is necessary and good".

^^^ The post you were responding to when I quoted you.

His point is, generally, Ford was able and willing to alter his business model to keep his workers working for him and did so without the government having to twist his nuts. The market will adjust wages eventually its just not instant gratification.

^^^ The post you wrote responding to the one above where you say that the government getting involved with business has made things worse.... but then you go on to demand they stick their noses in farther in the 2nd sentence.
Its like you don't want the dog to (*)(*)(*)(*) in the living room, but you DO want them to (*)(*)(*)(*) in the closet.

Please note that my quoted post wasn't talking about your OP except in a general way. I was talking about the post I QUOTED you on. See how its broken into sections? See that? Now read my post again with that in mind.

 

Because people spending minimum wage don't save money. They can't afford to save money. The rich have offshore bank accounts full of millions that are untouchable by taxes and don't really do anything but hoard it, but a poor man having more money stimulates the economy because it goes right back in.

Probably not the Austrian School, but that's one of many reasons why I hate the Austrian School.

 

Yep, just another case where someone getting subsidies thinks their subsidy falls out of the sky or is picked off trees.

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Maybe the rich do but upper income middle class don't but your too dumb to know the difference. Obama proved that for everyone with a little knowledge to see. Just so you keep getting a hand out what do you care?

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ow-congress-paid-for-obamacare-in-two-charts/

So how much comes out of your pocket?

1 buck?

Nothing?

And for that 14 million people have insurance who wouldn't otherwise.

 

Sucks to work in fast food i suppose. Use the suffering as a way to motivate you to get a better job. I really dont want to hear it. I worked for the usps being a cca for a long time. Thats a got damn job most people would quit in the first week. It paid garbage and i worked 16 hours/day during the holidays and guess what dude, the nlca caved the f in and allowed us to only get time and a half during december. The f'ing union brah. You know what i did dude, i bettered myself and i no longer work therE instead of crying about bull shiz.

 

It's so funny to see people desperately defend their subsidy. This is exactly what people are p*ssed about, you don't even have enough sense to appreciate it.

Obviously you're right, you NEED the government to steal from other people because you can't do it all by your little self.

 

Yea...you got yours...screw everyone else.

 

Hey genius...I have insurance through my employer.

You see to make a lot of unfounded assumptions.

Which explains your politics.

 

the signs of power-mongering parasitism are all around us. Life-long public servants like Harry Reid have somehow become multimillionaires. The suburbs around our federal capitol have become the wealthiest in the nation, replacing the ones around tech and finance centers in California and Connecticut. Public officials go on to highly-rewarded positions as corporate board members.

All of these trends offer perverse incentives: The more labyrinthine the regulatory state, the more in demand public officials are to corporations. The more poor who live among us, the more votes can be bought and controlled. The worse conditions are, the more compelling the arguments to raise taxes on the rich and in this case in addition to higher taxes they also demand that others subsidize them in other ways.

It is never wise to leave perverse incentives in any system you want to function for the good of the whole.

socialists-feel-like-they-are-entitled-to-other-peoples-money-even-if-they-earned-it-fairly

 

the more compelling the arguments to raise taxes on the rich.

Yea...we get it. You bow to the rich (who would spit on you).

No wonder you want a billionaire to be Prez.

 

“Man is not, by nature, deserving of all that he wants. When we think that we are automatically entitled to something, that is when we start walking all over others to get it.”
― Criss Jami, Diotima, Battery, Electric Personality

 

“Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.”
― James Madison

“You don't build a family by tearing down another one.”
― Donna Lynn Hope

 

“There's a whole generation growing up thinking...the government exists to care for them.”
― Dave Ramsey

 

“The Congressional Record will forever show that [Obamacare] was passed in a romper room of overgrown children seemingly barely old enough to keep from peeing on themselves.”
― Matt Taibbi, The Con That Is Breaking America

 

Gonna quote Rushbo next?

 

“So let me get this straight –

We are going to be gifted with a health care plan that we are forced to purchase, and fined if we don’t, which reportedly covers 10 million more people without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman doesn’t understand it,

passed by Congress, that didn’t read it, but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a president who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, for which we will be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect,

by a government which has bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese and financed by a country that is broke. So what the blank could possibly go wrong?”
― Barbara Bellar

 

a shell game with Statism?

 

Stop with the Walmart crap. It makes just as much sense to say Starbuck employees can't afford to drink coffee where they work let alone shop at Walmart. Walmart hourly rate average is higher than Starbucks employee rate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/17/starbucks-pay-bump_n_6003172.html

 

I don't understand why fast food workers are used as examples by the pro minimum wage fraternity. I can't see burger flipping being a long term career path.

 

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the people discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the canidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy--to be followed by a dictatorship.”
― Alexander Fraser Tytler

 

I think you miss the point. It's not about inflation of prices, per se, but the deflation of work opportunities for very low skilled people. Why would a business hire a very low skilled person when they can have their pick of many who would work for $15 an hour? And what happens when that $15 per hour person accumulates more debt? Then they'll be screaming for a $20 an hour minimum wage in the name of "need".
It isn't the governments job nor is it your employers responsibility to pay you according to your need, but it is your responsibility to live within your means.

 

Genius, good post.

 

Those are ridiculous arguments based on nothing.

"Deflation of work opportunities"?

Where'd you find that nugget....

You want to keep the poor...poor so they don't accumulate debt?

Huh?

and It isn't the governments job nor is it your employers responsibility to pay you according to your need, but it is your responsibility to live within your means.

When employers manipulate the situation such that they expect workers to survive on what amounts to near slave wages...yes...it's time for government to step in.

 

Why not? In some major cities, the cost of living is so expensive you need to make $30-$40 per hour just to make ends meet. That's a good idea.