The native language of Poles and Russians in Ukraine should be Ukrainian

but the Russians in the USA do not require Americans to understand the Russian language and answer them in Russian

 

Sure, the Russian govt is terrible. But that's got nothing to do with discriminating against Russian people or their language or forcing them to assimilate into a foreign culture on their ancestral land.

 

Prolly because they moved here voluntarily. What you're suggesting is similar to Americans who go to southern California or southern Texas and demand the native Spanish speakers there speak English instead. The Spanish speakers were there first. As were the ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. When you go to someone else's home, you adapt to them. Not the other way around.

This hostility towards native culture is the sort of thing that generates separatism, btw.

 

What ancestral land exactly?

 

So Ukraine is not the USA!

KIEV, July 16, 2022.
The next stage of the implementation of the law "On ensuring the functioning of the Ukrainian language as the state language" comes into force in Ukraine on Saturday. From now on, failure to comply with the law entails administrative responsibility - a fine of up to 8.5 thousand hryvnias ($ 300), which will be increased in case of repeated violation. According to the document, which was adopted in April 2019 and was introduced in stages, citizens of the country should use the Ukrainian language in all spheres of public life. By now, public administration, science and education, medicine, services, advertising, print media and Internet sites are required to fully switch to the Ukrainian language. All cultural events should be held only in the State language. TV channels have a quota of 75% for broadcasts in Ukrainian. The demonstration of foreign films and TV series is also allowed only in the state language.

The introduction of language fines, experts believe, will primarily affect the service sector, since it is in the communication of sellers, waiters, hairdressers with customers that most violations will be noted. The Commissioner for the Protection of the State language and language inspectors should monitor the implementation of the law. Language Ombudsman Taras Kremen has already advised Ukrainians to send denunciations to his office in case of violations of the law, attaching a video or audio recording of the incident. Language inspectors can also attend meetings in any government agencies, demand documents from public organizations and political parties, as well as impose fines.

 

Yes...OK....is there a problem?

 

Depends how far back you wanna go.

"In the beginning of the 20th century, Russians were the largest ethnic group in the following cities: Kiev (54.2%), Kharkov (63.1%), Odesa (49.09%), Mykolaiv (66.33%), Mariupol (63.22%), Luhansk (68.16%), Berdyansk (66.05%), Kherson (47.21%), Melitopol (42.8%), Yekaterinoslav (41.78%), Kropyvnytskyi (34.64%), Pavlohrad (34.36%), Simferopol (45.64%), Feodosiya (46.84%), Yalta (66.17%), Kerch (57.8%), Sevastopol (63.46%), Chuhuiv (86%).[4]"

If a hundred years isn't good enough for you...
"In 1599, Tsar Boris Godunov ordered the construction of Tsareborisov on the banks of Oskol River, the first city and the first fortress in Eastern Ukraine. To defend the territory from Tatar raids the Russians built the Belgorod defensive line (1635–165, and Ukrainians started fleeing to be under its defense."

Russians in Ukraine - Wikipedia

 

Muscovy barely existed in 1599....wasn't even called Russia.....and artificial famines have a way of getting rid of certain ethnic groups and replacing with others.

 

It,s not their ancestral land. It’s. not their land. president Zalenskyy grew up speaking Russian. He learned Ukrainian only after he decided to run for president on his own free will because he wanted to be president.

 

Ukrainian needs to be the language of government in Ukraine just as Russian is the language of government in Russia. EOS!

 

See my post #32.

 

Thats very different than not allowing Russian to be taught in schools in majority-Russian ethnic regions. No one is saying the Ukrainian govt has to be Russian or the majority non-Russian areas have to adopt Russian language or Russian culture.

 

None of that has anything to do with the fact that some parts of Ukraine were ethnically Russian before they were part of Ukraine, and Ukraine demanding they abandon their Russian heritage is no different than what the US did to the Native Americans.

 

Ohh....so Baltics and Stans were ethnically Russian too....is that why the Russkis banished languages?

Strange logic you have....and a weak argument.

 

So 16% Russkis dictating to 84% Ukrainians....I see your point.

 

Dictating what? They want to continue speaking their own language and practicing their own culture. Not forcing others to do so. That's not 'dictating.'

...how is it that you could need something so simple explained to you?

 

I agree that this issue should be resolved civilly
Poroshenko signed the law on the Ukrainian language, but no longer advocates strict Ukrainization

 

yes, the news does not say that Americans discriminate against Spanish speakers
therefore, it is natural to know many languages
i thought americans could afford to know english and everything

 

so, there are still wars for the territory

 

If Russian speakers want to have their children thought in Russian then send them to private schools or on weekends they can go to private schools. Government paid for schools should teach the official language of the country.
Russian can and should be available as a vorekgn language in high schools because that is what it is.

Do you shed tears for the days that Ukrainian writers were not allowed to publish their works in Ukrainian? Example the writer Mykola Honol who was forced to use the Russian name Nikola Gogol.

Karma is a witch …..

I do not care if Russian speakers speak Russian at home but not too long ago Russian speakers who were MPs tried to conduct business in Russian.

 

I fully understand........16% want to dictate to the other 84%....thanks for pointing it out.

 

Dictate what? "I don't want to learn your language" isn't 'dictating.' Are you suggesting that refusal to submit to the demands of others is the same as forcing others to submit to your demands?

 

It seems you're making a distinction between 'govt paid for schools' and 'publicly funded schools.' The govt doesn't pay for ****. The people the govt taxes pay for everything. Why shouldn't the people who live in an area and pay for the school also in their area have a say in what is taught at that school? As far as I know, Russians arent demanding that Russian be taught in schools with predominantly non-Russian students, rather they want Russian taught in schools where its mostly Russians going to that school. You wouldn't suggest we ban teaching Spanish in southern Texas or southern California public schools, would you?

 

Language is part of the means of Ukraine to forge their own path. If they want to govern their official language to be Ukraine...that's absolutely fine

 

Spanish just like Russian should be foreign language that is offered at a certain grade. Of course we fund the government through taxes that goes without saying