The New Climate Reality

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  1. politicalcenter

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    When climate change advocates predict droughts and heat waves in the West to increase and then it happens....well.
     
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    Neither heat waves nor droughts have increased.
     
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    Its darn hot . records being set - this much we know .. but - worry not - by the time the Oceans start eating cities - more than the nibbling that is happening now - the Oceans will be dead - and so will a whole lot of folks on the planet.

    We are increasing both Ocean Pollution and CO2-Greenhouse emissions - major increase over the last 25 years due to the industrialization of 300 million in China - and another 300 million in asia .. giving us 2 Billion industrialized - 6 Billion not of our 8 billion souls .. projected to be 10 Billion by 2050 - nary 25 years away.

    So worry not which one will get here first - as if we maintain this leve of pollution (never mind increasing it) = level of industrialization of non industrialized - highly doubt the Oceans can take it - choken they are with pollution from non industrialized nations .. whales with levesl of mercury high enough for experts to say neurological function impariment is - if not already happening - imminent.

    All a function of Bidens - and well most nations and groups on the bandwagon - "Not in My Back Yard - Dump it in the Oceans" enviro policy.
     
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    Wrong. There is twice as much very dry land worldwide since 1970. So global warming seems not to be a net benefit.
     
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    Major Media FAIL on Reporting the Pacific Northwest Heatwave
    Anthony Watts
    The headline in E&E News, WOWT-TV, Scientific American, WorldNewsNetwork, and other media outlets this week, “Unprecedented Heat Wave in Pacific Northwest Driven by Climate Change” couldn’t possibly be more unscientific. With absolutely no analysis, no…

    ". . . Yes, the heat wave set all-time high temperature records in Washington, Oregon, and Canada. But consider this: At best, we have about 150 years of reliable weather records for the PNW, so a “black swan” outlier event like this isn’t surprising. It’s happened before, most certainly. We just weren’t around to observe it. After all, Native Americans did not keep written weather records.

    High (and low) temperature records are nothing new. But it is important to look at the past, because data show us that more high temperature records were set during the first half of the twentieth century than during the past 50 years. Even the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) confirms this. . . ."

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    Several More New Studies Show Drought Is Now Less Common And Severe Than Centuries, Millennia Ago

    By Kenneth Richard on 14. June 2021

    Scientists continue to publish new drought reconstructions indicating there were far more frequent and severe drought periods in the past several thousand years than anything observed in the modern period. A new study (Berg and McColl, 2021) indicates there have long been “qualitatively incorrect” estimates of the impact modern and future warming has on drought […]
     
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    I remember 100+ degree temps in Portland way back in the 1950's. Not many but a few. There was quite a bit of buzz over them. Wasn't it the people consumed with climate who explained to us that we shouldn't confuse weather and climate when the cold spells descended on us? I think it was. There hasn't been a feared climate reality yet in my considerable lifetime.
     
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    Neatly omitting the 1930's.

    High (and low) temperature records are nothing new. But it is important to look at the past, because data show us that more high temperature records were set during the first half of the twentieth century than during the past 50 years. Even the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) confirms this.

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    Ah! Yes! The AstroTurf blogosphere is at it again and misrepresenting the science AGAIN. I just love that the person who has been screaming loudest and longest about inaccurate weather station data used that dataset over all the others to make his point

    Then the post goes on to confound drought with heat waves

    stick to the topic
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-16970-7

    Oh! And did anyone bother to correlate that weather station data with solar activity?
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    Yes and as I pointed out in my other post Watts who has spent most of his career dismissing weather station measurements bypassed all the other graphs showing multimodal measurement and cherry picked that one
     
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    The post to which I replied (#76) cited both drought and heat waves.
    And again you omit the 1930's.
     
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    The 1930s were not that long ago and one must consider the causes of the heat wave and the effect of measures taken to prevent another one. It should also point out that Congress failed to take action until the dust arrived in DC.
     
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    So what?
     
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    Filed under "So what?"
     
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    Climate is affected by many things - cycles in the Sun - Cycles in the Earths magnetic Field - the occastional meteor - and "mans activities" greenhouse gasses - and the metabolic activity of every living creature - outside the prokaryotes.

    If you live in a bubble - and that bubble is small - and someone farts in the bubble - you smell it .. if the bubble is really large you probably wont .. but if enough people are farting alot at the same time - the whole space will begin to stink ... and this is what we are experiencing - in many areas within the environment -- some more - some less.

    CO2 is getting very high - historically - sure there were times before - but if this is one of those times we will have some major environmental change. one of the metrics I use is Sea Ice which is melting very fast.

    There Oceans might rise a few meters over the next 20 years will take over cities on the water.

    But worry not - because we are going to fk up the Ocean's long before catastrophic climate change .. Ocean is not a garbage can - but the current policy of "Greenpeace" - Biden - and much of the rest of the first world is "Not in my back yard - Dump it in the Ocean"

    and this is something the earth has not seen before - sans major events such roughly 800 million years ago when bacterial metabolic activities had created an equilibrium that favored an H2S environment - changed - the reaction favoring H2O - notice oxygen is right above Sulphur on the Periodic table - and Nitrogen Oxygen came to dominate this equilibrium.. the Oceans providing roughly 60% of the oxygen.

    We can survive Oceans rising a few feet - what we can't survive is fking up the equilibrium.

    Ever heard of Dead Zones in the Ocean ? This is from nitrogen - from sewage and fertilizer run-off. Stimulates these bacteria we have been talking about .. the nitrogen drives a reactoin which uses up all the oxygen turning the zone anaerobic. Aerobic fish and marine life can not live in these areas.

    Industrialization of roughly 600 million non industrialized souls over the last 25 years caused a rapid increase in these zones - One is now the size of New Jersey.

    Imagine of there were places in the earth the size of New Jersey you couldn't go because there was no oxygen to breath there.

    Species of whales in the north have murcury levels that are nearning the point where experts state neurological function will be impaired.

    This is not "OHHH - Oceans will rise a few inches over the next 2 decades" Ocean Pollution effects are happening right now ..

    but no worries .. Biden's "Not in my Back Yard - Dump it in the Ocean" Enviro Policy doesn't care.
     
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    Like your 30s heat wave so what?
     
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    What is happening now is not unprecedented.
     
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    It is the frequency of drought and heat that is unprecedented. Like the drought of 88.
     
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    Nope. The data are otherwise.
    Roger Pielke Jr. Weighs in on This Week's Hysteria: Drought
    2021 › 06 › 14 › pielke-jr-weighs-in-on-drought
    curiousSo I graphed percent of CONUS in drought according to the US drought monitor, data is weekly from 1/2000 ... by drought category ... https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-drought
    The official state of this: Extreme Drought. Clearly drought has been weaponized by the CAGW crowd
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    From 2001 to 2019. Try again. My personal experience goes back farther than that.
     
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    Interesting. When else in history did humans alter the climate to put their own existence as a species in jeopardy, like they have during the last 100+ years.
     
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    Or stop burning fossil fuels, whichever is easier.
     
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    Not as frequently the record has been broken more times in the last decade than the previous century.
    But go on pretending its nothing, the adults are dealing with it anyway.
     
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    Never, and certainly not now.
     
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    Someone is surprised it has warmed after The Little Ice Age.
     

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