The New Speaker Will Separate Ukraine and Israel Funding

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    are you for reducing military spending?
     
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    How can we do that with China, Iran, Russia and North Korea on the march? Furthermore we have the war in Ukraine, which you want to fund. If you want to reach the point of curbing military spending, show some strength instead having a weak, senile old man like Biden representing The United States. The world leaders do not respect Biden.
     
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  3. FreshAir

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    so are you for or against cutting military spending?
     
  4. JohnHamilton

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    We have no choice, but as a dedicated leftist, I know you want to spend a fortune on illegal aliens and climate change. Spending too much on those issues is impossible for a progressive Democrat.
     
  5. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    nope, want neither of those things, and I do want to cut military spending as I think there is much waste there to cut

    the two 10+ year wars republicans started cost us over 10 trillion
     
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    Let’s start with auditing every federal agency and cutting dollar for dollar for any amounts they cannot account for.

    Deal?
     
  7. JohnHamilton

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    This is game you guys usually play, but can you tell us where you would cut defense spending? Is Ukraine on your list?
     
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    Yea, deal! When is big government going to start doing that? It’s not as glamorous as throwing money at things and problems, so neither party likes it.
     
  9. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would examine where the waste is, and cut that

    nope, I would fund Ukraine, but no boots on the ground
     
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    Perfect, all federal agencies had small discrepancies except the DOJ with cannot account for around 3.1 trillion.

    [source][source]

    So you still support cutting that, right?
     
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    Then why weren’t they all arrested ? Answer: because they weren’t all breaking the law. According to your buddy, 50 were and will have their day in court.
     
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    Especially since your rant doesn’t contain the truth.
     
  13. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    Because the NYPD can't arrest and imprison 7,000 people.
     
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    That leaves you with 50 potential rioters, and 6950 demonstrators.
     
  15. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    Anyone involved is a rioter.

    You defense of terrorists is noted.
     
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    Let me know when it happens. I’m too old to wait for that result. There is a small chance if you are in your 20s.
     
  17. fullmetaljack

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    Who are you to make that finding ?

    Your continuing fabrications are noted, but not unexpected.
     
  18. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    I'm pointing out a glaring fact. Everyone sees it.
     
  19. fullmetaljack

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    Ah, the old “everybody sees it” assertion. Whenever I see that coupled with a lack of actual facts or evidence, I know the originator has nothing.
     
  20. JohnHamilton

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    Regardless of whether you think of the demonstrations as peaceful or rioters, it’s obvious that they don’t care about the murders of October 7. It was three weeks ago, and if you are a far leftist or an anti-Semite, that’s plenty of time to forget any atrocity if putting it out of your mind agrees with your political position.
     
  21. Zorro

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    That's a great idea. But looking at how much the DOD can't account for, you'd probably have to phase this in so that our military deterrence isn't promptly gutted.

    Despite the More Than 300 Pro-Hamas Morons Arrested at Grand Central, I suspect that aid to Israel, especially given the Americans killed and held hostage in Hamas' vicious slaughter of the innocent, is far higher for Israel than the Ukrainians fighting in Nazi helmets.

    Hamas' mass rape of innocent civilians was so violent that the women bodies were found with broken pelvises.

    This death cult took it's fury and violence directly against the structure by which new life comes into existence.
     
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    Nor does your logic. My point is that if one wishes to cut spending it should be cut from many accounts not expanded in some and all cut from one. That is why I find the claim that this is an economic issue questionable.
     
  23. Zorro

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    I never claimed that the spending had to be cut from one account.

    You added a condition that no one else added, and then claimed that condition you added was "questionable".

    But guess what? You didn't come up with a single dollar of federal spending you were willing to cut in order to spend on the Ukraine War.

    We have a phrase for that: "Empty Virtue Signaling."

    GOP Won With Johnson

    Hakeem appears to hold the record for the most times a single person has been on the ballot for Speaker, and lost. Could Dems be in greater disarray?

    Dems Sacked McCarthy and Now They Have Johnson.

    'GOP conservatives are now celebrating the ascendancy of a kindred spirit, while Democrats are wondering how the supposed “chaos” they mocked so heartily has yielded an even more conservative speaker.'

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    https://archive.ph/FS18L#selection-1377.54-1381.1

    Congressional Dems jumped out of the pan and into the fire.
     
  24. Lil Mike

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    Well at least you're being honest about it. Progressives on this forum who want to cut the defense budget are legion, but progressives who want to cut back our military commitments to match our budget are far more rare; I think you might be the first.

    As an aside, I agree with you. We need to look at what sort of military commitments we can afford and we need a military scaled to that. The problem is that after the cold war we trimmed back our military quite a bit but not our commitments. I don't think we can afford that any longer.
     
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    What a democrat does is politics.
    What a republican does is illegal.

    That about cover it?
     

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