The NY case may be setting the stage for Trump to win- Billions of $.

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  1. Nwolfe35

    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    And people who idolize Trump ignore the damage he did to our country.

    Amazing how you seem to think that only YOUR opinion is valid. Anyone holding a contrary opinion are "parroting propaganda"

    I see it EXACTLY opposite. Anyone defending Trump is just "parroting propaganda"
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Funny how the Trump haters can't really document any ways in which Trump damaged the country. We could write a book on Biden damage, But they wouldn't read it.
    If you could apply the same metrics and standards on both sides of the fence, you would be a solid Trump supporter- or at least of his objectives.

    Biden has more in common with Al Capone than any American president or statesman.
     
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    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    I can, and I have
    REPEATEDLY

    You just ignore it because you don't like it.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hating, badmouthing, character assassination and false allegations are NOT documentation of anything except the character void of the people using them.
     
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    And the irony is that you support Trump. LOL
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No- the irony is you don't know why people support Trump, and the price you will pay for supporting what you do is going to be monumental if it's not stopped.
    It's pretty common for people to hold a position long after the warning signs dominate, and keep it up until it all falls down around them. Then, they consider themselves victims, and say it wouldn't have happened if everybody had gone along with them..
    I've watched numerous people destroy their lives doing that; refusing to accept the truth they didn't want to hear- because they had already hung their hats on the wrong side.
    Usually, there's nothing you can do to save them from themselves; they have to experience total failure before they can learn- and even then, some will not.
     
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    I know exactly why people support Trump.

    Mostly it's to "own the libs"
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wrong. It's not to "own" anybody- it's to keep people from owning others.
    The mindsets, or the ways people think, can change everything. It's like when you blame others who can't control what only you can change, you surrender your power to control your own life. In return, you dodge the responsibility for the botched job.... but only in how you think. You, not them, suffer the consequences, and blaming or hating someone else won't give you any relief other than a delusion.
    Takes courage to stand by your beliefs, to effectively use self-discipline. Trump has more self-confidence and backbone than anyone in politics has demonstrated in living memory. Scares hell out of those who know they will never have that kind of strength. THEY fear being owned by it, but that is a delusion, not anyone else's intent. Such people think of superior strength as being achieved by destroying the strength of others, rather than finding their own. If nobody but them has any strength.... they are superior; they win. Sorry excuse for a human being. Also- just a delusion. I want everyone to be strong enough to run their own lives well- because then, they won't be inclined to screw up the lives of other people. Weak character is a threat to everyone, and it's rampant in the lefties. Trump wants you to be strong, so you don't have to resort to threats or groveling to make a life. Unfortunately- courage can't be gifted to anyone. They have to find it in themselves. I have no fear of strong people- because the truly strong have no reason to diminish anyone else. Only the weak people are compelled to do that.
     
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    Trump is a bully. He has no backbone. He accepts no responsibility. The current court cases are solely about holding Trump accountable for unacceptable behavior. How does he respond? No contrition, no acceptance of responsibility. He lashes out just like a schoolyard bully. Nothing is his fault. Everyone else is to blame.

    That works in the court of public opinion if you can find a large enough audience who will go along with the BS. It does not work in a court of law as Trump is now discovering.
     
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    How much kool-aid does it take to make you think that way?

    Maybe you failed to notice. Every time they attack trump with this crap, his support increases and Joe's goes down. Currently, over 60% of Americans see the prosecution of Trump as entirely politically motivated.
     
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    Yeah, you'll have to cite the source of your bogus 60% claim.

    I don't buy it for a second.
     
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    I think there are a ton of lawyers who would salivate at bringing this case except most will be too gun shy (read purge shy -- if any do bring a case and lose I agree many would have a strong chance of getting charged with something or other.) to actually do it. Knowledgeable people never bet on court cases, but I think his chance of winning such a case is pretty slim although he can show tons and tons of damages from the sham prosecutions. Improper and sham prosecutions win more often that most people realize. IIRC Mueller got hit twice.
     
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    No, it is not.
     
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    Yes, it is.

    That's why those statements have to be signed. The person signing them is taking responsibility for their accuracy.
     
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    First you would have to somehow prove they were "sham" prosecutions which Trump will not be able to do since they are legitimate prosecutions
     
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    No, it is not. Fraud requires misstatements or misleading information, clear knowledge the information provided was wrong or misleading, knowingly made with the intent to defraud, and, in virtually all states except NY, it requires someone to actually be defrauded and suffer damages because of it. That is what defines and constitutes legal fraud (criminal or civil), not anything less.
     
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    ! why, those rascals!!!!!

    You understand, "frivolous" isn't a legal violation, right??
     
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    No, that never happened...lol
     
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    He clearly broke the law by faking business records to cover up hush money payments in order to defraud the electorate, so, how is it malicious?
     
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    No, it is a civil violation under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

    Specifically Rule 11

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_11

    This allows the court to issue sanctions against the attorneys who violate it, which has been done.
     
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    1. Misstatements or misleading information
    Trump submitted a valuation on his Mar-a-Lago estate without taking into consideration that there were easements on the deed, specifically that he was not allowed to develop the property for residential purposes. Such easements reduce the valuation of the property.

    2. Clear knowledge that the information provide was wrong or misleading
    Trump took advantage of those easements when calculating the property taxes owed on Mar-a-Lago showing the he was fully aware of the existence of such easements.

    3. He made the misstatements on his Statement of Financial Condition to get better loan terms than he otherwise would have had.
    a. The case is taking place in NY so, as you point out, it does not require someone to be defrauded
    b. The banks WERE defrauded, even if they didn't complain about it. A false Statement of Financial Condition made for the purposes of fulfilling loan requisites is, by definition, defrauding the lender.
     

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