Go back and read it one more time.... Science uses testing to "TRY TO PROVE WHAT IS REALITY AND MAKES PREDICTIONS". It doesn't mean that everything a scientist says is true reality. Science has been wrong more than it has been right because they are PREDICTING..... I don't disagree with science, and actually can appreciate the things science has done for us, but I don't place it over my faith. That doesn't mean I'm wrong and your right or the other way around... It means we believe in different things. - - - Updated - - - Go back and read it one more time.... Science uses testing to "TRY TO PROVE WHAT IS REALITY AND MAKES PREDICTIONS". It doesn't mean that everything a scientist says is true reality. Science has been wrong more than it has been right because they are PREDICTING..... I don't disagree with science, and actually can appreciate the things science has done for us, but I don't place it over my faith. That doesn't mean I'm wrong and your right or the other way around... It means we believe in different things.
Science is self-correcting, because it is the observation of reality. But you place your faith over reality. That's nice.
I place faith over science.... Again its not reality. There is no way to test the evolution theory thus it is not proven science, and is therefor PREDICTION.... But I agree, I do place it over science, because that is what faith is... Believing in something even though it cannot be proven 100%. Hey I guess you do have faith after all... you believe in the evolution theory even though it can't be proven... What are the chances...
No way to test evolution? So organisms adopting to their environment is not testable or observable? Yes, pleas,e continue denying reality.
Yes organisms do adapt, but there isn't a person alive that can say they have seen a monkey turn into a human... Thus it is called a prediction. One could speculate that it will carry over to other organisms, but there is no way to test the theory so yea I'd say that makes it a prediction. How do you know that adaptations react within all organisms the same way? Just like medicines for certain illnesses don't react the same way in humans as it does in test animals.... (There are plenty of other examples.... I could go on) All of these are predictions which require you to believe in something without knowing for sure, or in other words have faith in something. You just choose to believe in something different than me. Sooooooo your no different than me. You believe in something that isn't proven, but you "think" it to be true. Why then do you seem hell bent on saying what I think is true is so wrong....
Evolution is well on its way to being proven. The holes in the theory are small. But, as long as there are holes, there's room for faith.
Organisms adopt to their environment, if they do not, they die. Simple. So why put faith above reality?
No one said that organisms don't adapt to their environment. But adaptation doesn't mean they have to completely change from being bacteria into humans which is basically what evolution thinks happened. If that were the case then why do we still have those same bacteria and why didn't all of them adapt to become the next organism? I don't deny that there are things that make you wonder about the theory such as the scales on birds legs, and so forth, but you fail to see that evolution is still putting faith in something that isn't proven. Until I am proven wrong I choose to follow my faith which is exactly what you are doing.... Evolution is not proven so it requires faith... Face it, you might be right, you might be wrong.... I'm willing to accept that, why aren't the people that follow evolution?
Macroscopic evolution is simply microscopic evolution drawn out. No evidence for evolution? I suggest some reading is in order, and of a book that is slightly more recent than two thousand years, and a book that does not say the world is flat.
Ok then lets see you or any other scientist test the theory on a monkey. Lets see one change into a Neanderthal. It can't happen. You can say it happens the same way as microscopic evolution, but you can't prove it. This is why Evolution is a theory... It could be proven wrong someday when we have more information. It takes the facts we know and makes a prediction of what is thought to be true. HENCE IT MEANS YOU MUST HAVE FAITH IN SOMETHING.... Again, I'm willing to accept the fact that what I have faith in could be wrong, but until someone can prove me wrong, I'll continue to have faith, because that is what the Bible tells me to do. I don't pretend to understand everything the Bible says like some people do, but I'll tell you this... I know that faith, hope, and love are good things, and if more people would follow the golden rule of the Bible the world would be a better place. Do you agree with that?
Genetic evidence. Maybe you need a book that doesn't say the world is flat? - - - Updated - - - The Golden Rule isn't specific to Christianity either. So, oops.
I didn't say it was specific to Christianity did I? I said "If more people would follow the Golden Rule of the Bible the world would be a better place" The rule however has been an integral part of MOST religions since the beginning of time.... At least to some degree. You seem to be stuck on trying to find mistakes in peoples posts, and usually use little remarks to try and trigger a reaction... Why is that?
What's wrong with the way I worded my post? I worded it just as I mean it. There is a Golden Rule OF the Bible. I didn't say at any time that Christianity created the rule, but one can see the connections of Christianity and the teachings that one should treat others as they would like to be treated, therefore the Golden Rule.... I understand you don't follow Christianity, but that doesn't mean the Bible shouldn't still be an important work of literature even for someone that doesn't agree with it.
Sure, however there is enough (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up (*)(*)(*)(*) in the Bible to dismiss the idea of it being any sort of authoritative moral guide.
Sure there is plenty of stuff in the Bible you could point to and say that its messed up. That is if you don't understand what its talking about. Just taking one verse from the Bible and using it out of context isn't actually understanding the Bible. Lets not forget that up until just a few decades ago Americans thought women should be kept in their places.... That place was basically barefoot and pregnant.
You acknowledge that science is based on "testing and making predictions," which is more or less true, yet you also purposely place your faith above it. Would you respect someone who places faith in fairies, Thor or Santa Claus above observable, testable facts and theories? Do you honestly feel that such a person would be right to do this and that his or her beliefs deserve respect? To me, they deserve at the very least an unbiased examination by others. Why let people spout nonsense as if it were fact unchallenged? Why let groups of them formulate indoctrination centres under the guise of schools to brainwash children? But most importantly, why engage in the same fallacious thinking they do? Why live in denial of reality? Is your comforting fantasy really so important that it should cost you a lifetime of learning and free thought? You could drop the Iron Age B.S. and ponder the universe as it really is, including human evolution. I find it something fun and fascinating to think about.
Not sure what you mean by that, but I live by the general idea that I try to treat everyone as I would like to be treated. That is on par with what Jesus lived by. Not saying Im even close to doing it as good as him, but I try. I don't pretend to even get close to knowing everything about the Bible. As I said in my first post, I'm not a fire and brimstone kind of guy, but I do generally think the majority of the teachings are good. I do think that there is a heaven and hell, and I do feel like there is more to humans than just dying and becoming worm food.
You forgot the bit about hating your family and pulling out your own eyes. - - - Updated - - - And quiet, women are not to speak above men. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 1 Timothy 2:12
More or less true.... Science is exactly that. I respect everyone regardless of their beliefs... I personally feel like that is a moral obligation. You are spouting nonsense like you will single handedly change peoples ideas or their faith and convert them over to your ideas. GOOD LUCK with that... Sounds like you have a problem with churches... I guess you feel it necessary to stop those since they are brain washing little children.... WOW! I thought America was founded to get away from people just like that so people just like you could believe in whatever or nothing at all if they so chose to do so. My faith doesn't stop me from gaining a lifetime of learning or free thought. I am free to think as I might choose. As I said in my very first post on this thread, I'm not a fire and brimstone kind of guy, but I get tired of people attacking Christianity. I wonder about all things just as most humans do, but I have yet to see anything that makes me believe that all humans came from a single celled organism, or that it did so without some greater direction than just chance.
I can't hope to change the minds of stubborn believers, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss the (lack of) merits of those beliefs. It seems you don't want people to challenge the beliefs of others. Why? You think America was founded so people could believe whatever they like and not have their beliefs, no matter how detrimental they become, challenged? That's not challenging their freedom to believe in what they will; freedom of belief does not preclude criticism of belief. If beliefs aren't well-founded, as is the case with theistic beliefs, then I see no reason to respect them. I asked whether you would respect someone who insists on believing in Santa Claus despite the evidence (or lack thereof). I guess you're saying, then, that you would. You don't care what someone's beliefs are or what they're based on - you'll simply respect them. Yet, such beliefs are based in a dangerous way of thinking. It is people who elevate their own ideas above observable reality who are dangerous to the well-being of others, because they will also act out at times for the sake of their beliefs. Faith can be hazardous.
