The Philosophical implications of Multiverse Theory?

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  1. jrr777

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    Sounds far less likely than a creator. A massive amount of fantasy, and zero reality.
     
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    Hmmm, it seems the reality of your daily life and dream state is not realistically evaluated. Take a look at this .pdf and realize that in a dream, you can't tell the difference between now and then, past present or future, it does not matter.
     
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    I'm not sure what your argument is here, but that's why it's called a dream. However in reality, because of the past, and the present, we can see what the future holds (not looking so good). It is the past that has you here now, and that includes everything in the past. Which is a result of everything in the now.

    When people say we have to quit living in the past, that is an impossible statement. For the past is the now, and not having the wisdom thereof, will result in the same things of the past, happening again. Can you see what is happening now, already happened in the past? World War! The stock market is another example. It crashes just to be propt-up and then crash again and again and again, and I think you get the point. World War is so nasty, that we seem to believe it can never happen again, or at least not while "I'm here". If people think that another Hitler can never happen again, well then the process has already begun! Cause men are ignorant.
     
  4. ChristopherABrown

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    Oops, sorry about that, forgot the .pdf, but this is better.

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    What's the big deal if life is mostly unconscious? The creator knew the brain would need a break, along with the body. What's the problem?
     
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    Hmm, the terms you use seem inadequate.

    The unconscious is so vast the conscious waking state cannot cope with cognition of it. In fact even trying distracts too much from needed survivsl actions.

    Sleep and dream state sharing of the collective unconscious may be what is really the most significant event of our lives. This conscious state is perhaps a mere necessary detail.

    But the point is that a dream could have info from the past or future and we would not know it. It would simply be there in our unconscious and may become conscious through intuitive processes.

    The problem lies with gaining recognition that the info is real, despite its delivery method.
     
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    I remember most of my dreams. One which a plane came crashing down in my city (G.J. Colorado), on it's impact a massive explosion took place, in which my family and I had to outrun. It is then when I woke up. 2 weeks later 9/11 happened. I thought about that dream, and how it had a plane with an explosion, and my family and I representing the people running. It was as if like your saying, I remembered the dream, but could not piece together until after the fact. What I'm getting at is our dreams are indeed part of the conscience, and pertain to life events. The problem is piecing it together.
     
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    Yes, that is exactly how it works, and dreams are a part of the conscious, but occurring through the unconscious. Some of it is carried into the waking state, some is not.

    I have a theory that the 26 feature films and other events that had the numbers 9/11 in them before 9/11 are part of dream state information that originates from the future as a warning to not let 9/11 events control us and our development. There is no other good explanation and something like that needs explaining.

    For example. This album cover was released 3 weeks before 9/11, the photo taken. 6 months before.

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    Perhaps Yetzer hara is also a strong influence that must be dealt with in some fashion.

    We are like that Fox and the little Girl ( Yetzer hara ) the leash and it being wrapped around the Foxes front legs, signifies the various or many impediments to the good that we wish to accomplish in life.
     
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    In my opinion, even those who would be considered low in the realm of "powers that be", such as music artists, Hollywood, and other idolaters, all serve their master and push an agenda in which is desired by their master, for their individual fame and fortunes. You will see some, who even try to stand up against what they know they have done! In opposition of the selling of their souls. This dire feeling of repentance, overcomes the once young decision that was made. For instance, a young rapper will claim they are the devil, or have power over the devil, and so many other evil words. But as they get older and start to see the messages they are sending to young ones, they see an abundance of humility, shame, and evil spiritual wickedness, that from the start they did not have eyes to see. As they approach our Father in heaven (aging/wiser), and know judgment is coming. The words within their poetry, releases a hidden message that they know they cannot just come out and say. Not in fear of their deaths, but of their loved ones deaths, a proposition that comes from the mafia. Say one thing, and we go after your loved ones.

    Amongst the powers that be the lies and deceit is so vast, that eventually the veil will be lifted. Here is the war between Gogg and Magog! For when their powers are threatened and knowing it is at it's end, they simply push the button. Because why not, everything about them is destroyed anyways, they are left with nothing to live for.
     
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    Phaagh, Jungian nonsense, next you'll be talking about "synchronicity"

    There is no unconscious, dreams are made up by our mind as we awaken if we should happen to do so while our synapses are randomly firing
     
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    Unless you have a coherent, feasible explanation for how the 26 feature films all have the numbers 9/11 in them BEFORE 9/11, your assertions are illogical and superstitious.

    Also, you must refute that this graphic accurately depicts the proportions of our mental capacity in the waking and sleep states.

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    You must refute it because it provides the logic that what is unconscious, is essentially outside of the confines of time. When we are asleep, we are unconscious.
     
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    What do you think the Anti-Christ is like in other realities Dennis?

    I dont think about theoretical physics much because I think that it is bullcrap - but I have almost died in this reality a few times and if there really was anything like string theory then I am certain that I am dead in other realities. So I like to think that there is a reason for me still being alive in this reality.

    Seriously though - look at the world - and we have got the likes of you and your friend 'AboveAlpha' wasting your time on stupid theories and mathematics. What a load of bullcrap. The world is certainly great for people that have the luxury to waste time on this kind of bullcrap - but what does it do for the third world exactly? Isnt it people like 'AboveAlpha' that are the problem? What is his little equation going to actually do for anyone? Lets say we work out how to print matter - are we just going to give that technology away to the masses? Use it to help the third world? Of course not. So why even waste time on these stupid theories? Why not put efforts into something more practical. Think about all of these worthless 'theoretical physicists' sitting around thinking up their great theories and this is actually what they do. A plumber is worth more than these idiots.
     
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    There is no proof of a multiverse therefore it doesn't need to be considered, now they create a device to interact with these alternative universes then and only then can it be considered valid. Science doesn't generally concern itself with that that cannot be tested so there is no Multiverse Theory its a hypothesis and one we currently can't test properly.
     
  15. DennisTate

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    Rabbi Nachman of Breslov does an admirable job of addressing this challenging question.

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nachman_of_Breslov
    - - - Updated - - -

    Some scientists get into some pretty heavy topics.....

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/19/opinion/are-we-alone-in-the-universe.html?_r=0
    Are We Alone in the Universe?
    By PAUL DAVIESNOV. 18, 2013




    538
     
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    It is often considered, but not so much because it's a very likely theory of the universe, it just happens to be a very easy-to-understand interpretation of quantum theory. Thus, some complicated concepts are easier to explain in a multiverse context than other interpretations.

    This shouldn't be confused with the idea that it's being taken seriously for its likelihood or testability.
     
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    What do you make of this statement by AboveAlpha that he just made over in another discussion?

    This sounds pretty good to me!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/humor-satire/463371-ask-abovealpha-anything-you-want-68.html

    Thread: Ask AboveAlpha anything you want.
     
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    I don't have that much to say about it to be fair. I don't think maths strictly requires all possibilities to "exist", but close enough. I'm also not sure "choice" exists in any sense that would be meaningful on a quantum scale. I can't say I trust the algebra he proposes, but then, I wouldn't trust anything I don't have half a grasp of. I'm not particularly interested in learning it.
     
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    Wow.... have I got reply for AboveAlpha on his Multiverse Theory.


     
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    What I would add to this is that there seems to be evidence that human consciousness takes
    huge leaps forward........

    Near death experiencer Ariela Solsol saw a exceptionally dark and scary future where
    America was no longer the world's policeman... and an Islamo - Communist
    alliance took over and the world descended into a level of injustice and corruption
    that is hard to imagine. Here NDE was in 1967....... so the alternate time line... was from there....

    Mr. Dannion Brinkley was shown... what I perceive as a much much much less dark future.....
    His NDE took place in 1975..... but there was a certain amount of correlation between the futures
    shown to both Ariela and Dannion.

    Howard Storm.... was shown what seemed like a significantly better future.... His NDE was in 1985.....

    So... it seems to me that the idea of Ten Days of Awe between Rosh ha Shanah to Yom Kippur could indicate....
    A limited number of Multiverses being created..... deliberately..... from a specific point in time each year......
    I would guess that Yom Kippur is highly significant or why else would the Jubilee year begin on it.

    Now.... near death experiencers and Christian psychics are foreseeing a very very very different.... and much much more
    positive future for America...... It seems that we are making some progress... .and.... more of the Ruach ha Kodesh / Holy Spirit....
    is being poured out on all flesh in our time line.
     
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    This article fits with Multiverse Theory reasonably well.

    If this is true then those new time lines are not created randomly.....
    but are planned much as we make plans and build a house.

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/is-the-un...gests-aliens-are-all-around-us-163758391.html

    Is the universe actually alive? Astrobiologist suggests aliens are all around us
     
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    Well Dennis, this is dark matter we're talking about. We don't know anything about it.

    But if an alien civilization gets advanced enough that it can perform computer operations on the Universe itself, well, they could be modifying it to do whatever they want.

    The question is whether they want to upload themselves into a computer comprised of the dark-matter Universe? I have no idea. I guess it would depend on what the life experience of those uploaded is.
     
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    I've been thinking. Wouldn't it get way out of hand if the afterlife has to take into account multiple versions of people? I hope there's different divergent states of after life for every version of people because if they have to house everyone in the same place it would quickly become overcrowded.

    Infinity there is no end.

    Of course from an Atheist point of view, we probably don't have an afterlife. And that's probably just as well. Many people would go mad contemplating the reality of infinity and other high concepts. How much worse would it be to actually be confronted by that reality head on???
     
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    Here is an article by another one of my online theoretical physicists friends
    who obviously is taking these ideas very very seriously.


    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/hidden-un-realities-graham-p?trk=hb_ntf_MEGAPHONE_ARTICLE_POST
    Hidden Un-Realities
    Published on December 21, 2016
    Graham P.
    ......

    ....

    .....
    BRILLIANTLY stated Graham!
     
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    In my opinion.... . based on twenty six years of research..... no......
    multiple versions of you and I, or even of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus and his disciples would not
    in the slightest confuse a being / beings / Being / Beings composed of fundamental or nearly fundamental energy who
    would find it easy to think in a manner far, far, far beyond the greatest computers that we humans will invent over the
    next five to ten decades.

    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

     

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