The Progressive Agenda means the Right to Earn a Living Wage for All Americans.

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    The proof that was a load of gibberish was highlighted in your post.

    Your abject failure to provide a coherent post is not my problem.
     
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    Stevew Well-Known Member

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    Why should I provide proof when HISTORY shows you are wrong!

    Keep it up, you just keep creating MORE TRUMP SUPPORTERS!

    Steve
     
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    Business (especially small ones) do not have the cash flow to meet huge payrolls which will result in layoffs. Big business will move.They can't be put between a rock and a hard place because that leaves them with choices that will only hurt the working middle class. And the wealthy will stop spending as the boat tax of many years ago proved.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Printing money" hmmm! that sounds familiar. I seem to remember a very recent past president that created a stimulus program by "printing" $85 billion per month and dumping it right into wall street banks. Remember him?
     
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    however you appear confused. voting is a right. a “living wage” is not.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Translation: I want to get paid as much for sitting on my ass as someone who busts theirs.
     
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    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    You mean Obama, the guy who got us out of the great recession by doing the only thing he could do--spend?
     
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    The middle class is doing quite well.

    And they should automatically receive the same because they are latina women even though they do not work the same jobs or have the same responsibilities?

    Should all degrees pay the same even though they are in different fields and the person is doing a different job?

    Wages have not been flatlined in the least, they go up and down and tend to do best in Republican growing economies. And don't know about you but I got lots of profits in my retirement accounts. If you do choose to have ownership in business then don't complain about not getting profits you don't deserve them nor are they owed to you.

    OK what would be different if we do?

    You have the right now go out and do it.


    Well go tell the colleges to lower their tuition and stop putting the screws on the students. Then tell the students that they should take the extra earnings the get from their degree and apply that to their student loans and have them paid off in a few years and not to expect those of us without a college degree to pay for theirs.

    I am a boomer and I have a nice retirement account which I will be starting to use in a couple of years along with my SS. It's up to you to commit to your retirement and not expect others to pay for it.

    Why do you let them exploit you, I don't.

    What would be different if you had your way and how would get there?
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    The recession ended 5 months after he moved to the White House, he didn't get us out of it. What he did was prevent us from getting into a full recovery.
     
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    Everyone already has a right to earn a living wage.
     
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    The recession did not end 5 months after Obama took office. It ended in June 2009
    The United States went through its longest, and by most measures worst economic recession since the Great Depression between December 2007 and June 2009. This chart book documents the course of the economy following that recession against the background of how deep a hole the recession created – and how much deeper that hole would have been without the financial stabilization and fiscal stimulus policies enacted in late 2008 and early 2009.

    Part I: Recovery Began in June 2009
    The Economy Began Growing in Mid-2009

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    As prices go up to offset the rises in payrolls then payrolls will have to go up to offset the cost of goods and services.
     
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    Huh? When do you think Obama took office?
     
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    Gotta hand it to huffpost for making their fake news even softer than an inflight travel magazine. That takes a real commitment to the cause.
     
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    2007. The official end was in June 2007. I was focusing on the untrue comment by Bluesguy. Pardon my brain fart.
    It was several years into the Obama presidency for the economy to truly begin a recovery. The unemployment rate reached 10%
    in October 2007 and stimulus packages were put into place to goose the stagnating economy.
     
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    Oh look! Another progressive authoritarian offering more suggestions for controlling our lives.
     
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    Oh, I don't know about that. It's not like there are any real ideas in that bit of nonsense. It reads more like the blondes at fluffpo are trying to rally their socialist readers in order to force the democrats to start backing real socialists, rather than establishment candidates who have been in Washington longer than most democrats have been alive.

    From what I gather, there is a growing divide in the party between the old school candidates and the new "let's stop pretending we're not socialists" types, and this is due to Bernie Sanders and that chick in new york who beat the hell out of an establishment incumbent. The old school dems lost to Trump, and that means they've got to go. No more Clintons, no more Obamas, no more Pelosis, and different players who actually want to transform the country from capitalist to communist. Obama talked a good talk, but that's all he was ever any good at.

    It's not looking like they'll get the house back in the mid-terms, which might be the straw that breaks the donkey's back.
     
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    This is an absolute lie.

    The EPA and the unions killed the middle class.
     
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    Yes he took office in late January and it ended in early June before any of his stimulus even started. He didn't get us out of it but prevented us from getting into a full recovery.

    Yes a year after the Democrats took the Congress, thanks for showing how their policies, or lack thereof, to help mitigate the damage and short the life and get us into a full recovery failed.

    I know full well the course of the economy and the course of government fiscal and and economic policy control, if you have a point to make then make it.
     
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    OK, just to be clear, Obama became President January 20, 2009, so yeah the recession was over five months later.

    What a miracle worker!
     
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    This is where the problem comes in. What are the necessary bills? Cable TV with sports network? Beer, dope, and cigarettes? Filet Mignon? 58" TV? 2,000 sq ft home? Escalade with 24" chrome rims? I posit that a living wage should cover beans, rice, potatoes, ground meat, vitamin tablets, and a tent. If a person wants more, then obtain skills, get a better job, be productive, and be an asset to his/her employer.
     
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    And by extension, every actor should earn the same pay? Every basketball player? Every CEO? Every musician? Every electrician? Every artist?
    A person's work is worth only what someone else is willing to pay for it and that is how it should be.
     
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    A fifth-generation Californian laments his state’s ongoing economic collapse.

     
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    Why do you think all of those big corporations moved offshore? They were being FORCED to pay the Wall Street Casino Bosses extortion demands and yes, that did a great deal of harm to the middle class.

    Small businesses are going under because they can't afford to compete against the pittance wages being paid in 3rd world nations.

    Who actually gives a crap about the wealthy not buying their Nth luxury floating gin palace? It isn't as though the entire economy depends upon their frivolous spending habits.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    A right is anything We the People decide that we want to make into a right. We can make housing into a right and education and even food if we so wanted.
     
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