The Real RINOS

If I may interject for a moment, the answer to your query lies in the many factions of the GOP. Cheney is a neocon, a group that has as a group, mostly left the Republican Party over Trump's (and the MAGA movement's) non interventionism. For the neocons, that was THE breaking point. There will be fewer GOP neocons after each election.

 

He has a very loyal base. What he says carries a lot of sway with them. But I'm not going to argue any further with someone so determined to question the obvious.

 

Well, that’s an interesting point. But you talk about Neocons leaving the party, not the party leaving them. Do you really think the neocon aspect is more important in her polling difficulties than Trump telling people to vote against her?

 

show me that he didn't cultivate this loyalty through policy

It's because you can't argue your position relies on Trump being magical sorcerer that controls the minds of people. My position is far more rational and you can't defeat it so don't be smart thing is to run away.

 

And no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.

All you have is the logical fallacy of appealing to purity the problem is you don't get to define what's pure

 

I know from experience how these discussions go. I’m saving myself the aggravation. Your caricature of Trump being a sorcerer obviously misrepresents my position. Have the last word if you want.

 

All he's doing is appealing to purity it's probably one of the most boneheaded fallacies you can make.

The colloquial term for it is no true Scotsman.

But it's essentially I have decided that this is what should be Republicans and anybody disagrees with me wrong. It seems like a narcissist would be the type of person that would use this fallacy

 

Me too.

I asked you to prove a claim you made and you can't so you run away and putting everyone else for being irrational to try and save face for your failure.

I love watching people like you tuck tail and run it's funny

Pathetic attempt to save face. If you're going to give up just do it your pathetic excuses are only self serving.

 

Wouldn't know I'm Italian. I know for sure you don't put sugar in Sunday Gravy.
It's not a logical fallacy when millions of Americans view tRaitor tRump his Seditious Cartel and his tRumpublicans as the "REAL RINO'S"
Hell, I'll bet you weren't a Republican before tRaitor tRump, or if you were you were luke warm at best.

 

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OK fine. One group of stats: the huge change in her polling after voting to impeach Trump. Is there any other factor which could explain a 46 point swing over that 12 month period?

"Polling from Wyoming is limited, but what does exist paints an ominous picture. The Cooperative Election Study (CES), a large academic survey, asks Americans whether they approve or disapprove of their member of Congress. The sample sizes in each district are usually in the lower 100s or fewer, though the trend is illuminative.
Cheney sported a 72% disapproval rating in the late 2021 edition of the survey, which was fielded about 10 months after she voted to impeach Trump. That was up nearly 40 points [doesn't CNN have a calculator?] from her 26% disapproval rating in the late 2020 version, which was fielded before Cheney's vote. All told, Cheney was the least popular member of Congress in the 2021 survey."
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/07/politics/liz-cheney-wyoming-republican-donald-trump/index.html

 

So you don't understand the fallacy you have made?

You have appealed to purity.

 

I'm not going to spar with you. IMHO, I've called the cards as I see them, I can't help it if it doesn't hold up you paradigm.

TRaitor tRump, his cartel of seditionists and his trumpublican followers are the "REAL RINO's". <-period

 

I could see why falsely prosecuting somebody would be a reason not to vote for them again.

The impeachment scam was nothing but a Democrat stunt and Chaney falling for it either shows her incompetence or that she was in agreement with this fraud.

well you're source is CNN who have a personal vendetta with Trump and his voters because he called them out for the frauds they are. So you're either Cherry picking biased sources or you're to incompetent to find valid ones.

Chaney supported Democrat fraud that's policy. So it was about policy.

 

The why are you.

It doesn't hold up in reality.

What value is a leftists opinion on this subject?

 

I'm not sparing, I didn't engage your fallacy bullshit.
It AbsaByGodLutely Holds up. I put up one link of similar pages.
Now that's a shinning example of fallacy:
Leftists are wrong and don't matter.
Leftists believe Real RINO's are tRaitor tRump and his followers are RINO's
TRaitor tRump isn't a RINO.

Ready Fire Aim, you just shot yourself in the knee after aiming at your foot.

 

it's because you can't. You may not jealousy and your argument depends on it I'm perfectly fine with you running away it shows you have no ability to be logical.

Not logically is a fallacy.

Your opinion on what Republicans think doesn't matter. All you want is either a weak Republican party or for Republicans to be the same as Democrats.

One doesn't listen to RINOs about RINOs.

Who cares?

 

OK, you've gone beyond bazaar.

 

Your response simply confirms what I thought about the pointlessness of continuing.

Before I go. You attack the CNN as the source. I actually don't mind this, since I've not found the raw data online; if you gave me a newsmax link, I'd be similarly sceptical. If this was all you'd said, I'd basically have had to acknowledge, "OK, I can't find a better source". But your other arguments suggest bad faith to me.
- reframing 'standing up to Trump' as 'falsely prosecute'. That's really weak when you've just been suggesting her decline in support is about policy.
- "Chaney supported Democrat fraud that's policy. So it was about policy". That is completely ridiculous.
- 'Cheney' doesn't have an 'a' in it.

 

No it's just that I don't trust the left is regard to what a true Republican is.

 

yeah it's that you're wrong and you can't convince me that you're not.

CNN isn't a source.

this wasn't standing up to him. This was falsely accusing him of something. And doing everything they could to get him out of office.

This is what Republicans think because that's what happened.

So not accepting that means you're not with the Republicans. They wanted him to do what he was doing it was his job.

no it's accurate Cheney supported Democrat fraud that's why she lost favor.

The impeachment of trump was over a hoax.

A person who supports that is it either incompetent or improper for her office.

If you don't understand why that's a problem you can't understand this discussion. And you're just trying to make it about some sort of hero worship because you don't like the truth.

 

What "policies" caused you fall in love with Trump?

 

Nothing. I've never loved any politician. I've never known one personally.

 

If Trump had said nothing, Cheney would still be where she is in the polls.

 

I think the better question is, would Cheney be polling the same now if she hadn't stood up to him?