The Real RINOS

MAGA does not represent the traditional values of the Republican Party. Indeed they have strayed far away from those values and have become the real RINOS. Here are excerpts from a speech that shows how far they have fallen:

With a deep awareness of the responsibility conferred by your trust, I accept your nomination for the Presidency of the United States...

This convention has shown to all America a party united, with positive programs for solving the nation's problems, a party ready to build a new consensus with all those across the land who share a community of values embodied in these words: family, work, neighborhood, peace and freedom.

More than anything else, I want my candidacy to unify our country, to renew the American spirit and sense of purpose. I want to carry our message to every American, regardless of party affiliation...

We need a rebirth of the American tradition of leadership at every level of government and in private life as well.

"Trust me" government asks that we concentrate our hopes and dreams on one man; that we trust him to do what's best for us. But my view of government places trust not in one person or one party, but in those values that transcend persons and parties...

Isn't it once again time to renew our compact of freedom; to pledge to each other all that is best in our lives... for the sake of this, our beloved and blessed land?

Let us make a commitment to care for the needy; to teach our children the values handed down to us by our families; to have the courage to defend those values and virtues and the willingness to sacrifice for them.

Let us pledge to restore, in our time, the American spirit of voluntary service, of cooperation, of private and community initiative...

It is impossible to capture in words the splendor of this vast continent which God has granted as our portion of His creation. There are no words to express the extraordinary strength and character of this breed of people we call Americans. Everywhere we've met thousands of Democrats, Independents and Republicans from all economic conditions, walks of life bound together in that community of shared values of family, work, neighborhood, peace and freedom.

I ask you not simply to "trust me," but to trust your values - our values - I ask you to trust that American spirit which knows no ethnic, religious, social, political, regional or economic boundaries; the spirit that burned with zeal in the hearts of millions of immigrants from every corner of the earth who came here in search of freedom.

Ronald Reagan July 17, 1980

 

Nice opinion. Liberals hated Reagan too.

 

Interesting post, but I can't make out what point you are trying to make. That MAGA deviates from RINO values? It does, but many see that as a good thing. That Reagan deviated from Republican values or that Regan deviated from RINO values? The former he did not and the latter he did (although IIRC the term RINO came a bit later). That MAGA deviated from both Republican and RINO values? That to a large extent it did. That Trump differed from Reagan? That would not be true. Trump is the closest thing to Regan we have seen since Coolidge. What am I missing??

 

..... as did many Republicans.

 

The point is a simple one Reagan called for unity, working together, finding shared values, representing all americans and getting things done. I see the opposite coming from the MAGA people.

 

You can think anything you want is a RINO. I don't think you'll get much agreement asking Republican voters.

 

The MAGA people are not in charge and are not in a position to be calling for unity, working together and so on. You do realize the Democrats are running the government right?

 

It seems like some sort of attempt to define Republican values as some rigid unmoving thing. When the opposite is true. The most popular historical figures in the party went against the grain. From it's very beginning.

RINO seems to be a term for Democrats that claim to be Republican.

 

there are not many shared values between say george will and donald trump

 

They don't like when more Democrat aligned Republicans are called RINO.

They don't understand Republicans aren't Democrats.

 

He talked a good game: "government is the problem" and such. But he grew govt more than any POTUS before him while talking about how it was already too big...

 

Well yeah, Will is a libertarian. That's different than Republican

 

george will was a conservative republican who left the party in 2016, gee i wonder why?

 

Well if you join the libertarians it wasn't because he had conservative values. Libertarians don't share all conservative values

 

NO, its because the republican president did not share conservative values, mr will is a very old man who has been a conservative for decades while trump has jumped around all over the place

 

Then why did so many people who vote Republican think that he did?

Remember Trump got more books than any Republican in history where all these voters just brainwashed they could have picked Ted Cruz or that scumbag Marco Rubio but they didn't why?

Do they not know what their own values are or are all the Republican voters voted for Donald Trump just RINO? In this tiny little splinter is the true Republican party?

I think conservative people know their values.

 

they are not traditional conservative values, they are populists and voted against that demonic hillary

 

Neither does the libertarian party.

 

look up george will in wikipedia, i watched george for years 30 yrs ago or more, he was ALWAYS very dependable in his viewpoint as a conservatives, and old man doesnt change like that, he just saw donald trump for the charlatan he was

 

so it's an appeal to tradition. They don't get to call themselves conservative because it doesn't fit with termites you took it to me in some past point?

So there's something that such thing as a conservative. The benchmark you used doesn't belong to a consecutive party. Libertarians are not conservative. You used a libertarian as an example of a conservative. Maybe traditional conservative viewpoints aren't really conservative.

 

Then why in the hell did he join a non conservative party?

Libertarians are not conservative.

 

sir he left the whole party in disgust, but i am familiar with discussion with the rightwing, i am done you win

 

Reagan is historically accurate. MAGA is technically accurate but substantively not. While Trump didn't really call for it his policies pursued it. Biden and Obama are technically accurate but substantively not. While they both call for it neither pursued it and often had policies directly counter to it.

 

That's because George Will, despite him being a Reagan fan and supporter, turned RINO and that definitely is not Trump.

 

Why? Because he was really a libertarian and not a conservative at all?

Well I'm not right wing I'm a libertarian.

Maybe the problem is I know what I'm talking about.