The REAL True History of Israel and Palestine

Yeah but Israel broke the covenant so its not valid anymore.

That and Constitutionally the US does not recognize the validity of religious edicts.

 

No. Idiotic biblical irrelevant fairytales are not 'truth'.

 

I guess the truth was too much to handle.

I love how these zeolots run and hide when faced with good arguments contrary to their beliefs.

Denial, disbelief and then flight ..

 

The 'truth' about what or whom?

 

Exactly. The 'what' and 'whom' are fictional imaginings. They made Hollywood a shed-load of money though!

 

It would be amusing if people took myths as serious and literal accounts, were it your eccentric auntie, or even just a bloke on a forum.

However, when someone like John Hagee has such influence in the US, it is terrifying.

That's if he does believe the Hebrew myth as literal truth, and doesn't just use it to dupe the feeble minded, for status and money.

Hmm...

 

From what I have read and learnt, and I am an avid reader, the unusable land was sold by Arabs, some who might have been Palestinians, to the foolish Jews. What would they be able to do with the forsaken land?

Then grass and trees and flowers sprouted. Water flowed. Buildings flourished. People worked hard, then sang and danced.

How dare the Jews show up the Arabs. Attack! Attack! Allahu-akbar!

But they lost, more than once, and each time Israel expanded to smaller than a sliver compared to all the Muslim lands that surrounds them.

Perhaps I read this in a fiction THE HAJ by LEON URIS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Haj

http://shimshonit.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/book-review-leon-uris’s-the-haj/

Or it might have been a compilation of over a decade of research for my historical novel "Barbarians".

http://onwardjames.blogspot.com/2009/05/barbarians-novel-for-literary-agents.html

A Mongol love and war story circa 1218 A.D. When the Mongols brought down the Shah of Khwarizm, which included Persia. And what also shocked the Muslims was that women were warriors and commanders.

Sometimes more truth is exposed in an historical fiction than history taught at schools with apologists and appeasers.

 

And what does all that have to do with reality?

Reality is that maybe grass and trees and flowers sprouted. Water flowed. Buildings flourished...and Israeli Jews got swimming pools...but that has meant that the Palestinians did and do not get enough water to keep themselves hydrated, far less grow their crops.

All the Zionists are doing in the real world..ie the one not inhabited by Zionists and irrational North American bible believers.. is showing themselves up for the state terrorists they are.

The Palestinians lost wars they did not start....which, in the real world the rest of us inhabit, means that they still own the land allocated to them in 1947 on which Israel squats today.

Israel will have to negotiate with the landowners at some stage....and in the meantime, they'd be well advised to stop occupying Palestinian land because all that is doing is storing up problems for everybody if the squatters have to be removed.......because the more they continue to give the Palestinians the finger.the more likely the Palestinians will return that in spades.

I too am an avid reader..and I have read all of Leon Uris's work......but I do not limit myself to articles, websites and books written by Jews, unless some of them are "self-hating" in Zionist terms...... because that will not necessarily give balance.

 

In the REAL REAL world. the Palestinians(Arabs) don't own the land they live on today. that land has been fought over for centuries by Israelites, Arabs, Ashkenzi Jews, Africans, you name it.

only now today the Palestinians(Arabs) are settled there but make no mistake, it's not rightfully theirs either.

and a LOT of their weapons are supplied by Saudi Arabia and China.

 

The fact that Israel ethnically cleansed them and stole their land does not mean that, in the eyes of right-thinking people they don't still own it......and in the land taken since 1967, there is no doubt whatsoever that the land of the squatters was stolen, and is still being stolen.

Whether they will be compensated for their losses or get the right to return is something to be negotiated........but how happy would you be if you decided to take a year out to travel the world, for example....and while you were gone, your government decided to brand you an "absentee landlord" and take your home and land from you? Because that kind of inequity is going on today in Israel against Palestinians.

We'll make a pastrami sandwich of them, ... we'll insert a strip of Jewish settlements in between the Palestinians, and then another strip of Jewish settlements right across the West Bank, so that in 25 years' time, neither the United Nations nor the United States, nobody, will be able to tear it apart."
(Ariel (Arik) Sharon, 1973)

 

You obviously are limited with your knowledge. And from your content and context I bet you were not a Churchill fan, at all.

Are you aware who established the borders in the Middle East and why?

Of course, one hopes that the winners of wars are democratic and reasonably decent. They do not burn down libraries like the Mulsims did in Alexandria. Or is that going to far back for you?

And do list the things that the Islamists have done for the world. Forget about mathematics and science they copied from India and Asia.

 

During the Islamic Golden Age (c.750 CE - c.1258 CE) philosophers, scientists and engineers of the Islamic world contributed enormously to technology, both by preserving earlier traditions and by adding their own inventions and innovations. Scientific and intellectual achievements blossomed in the Golden age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

 

Better to be limited in knowledge, but eclectic with it than get all you know from the Jewish handbooks, the Old Testament and Hasbara.

Of course I am.....the UN.

They did it because of fighting between the Zionists that the British, due to Balfour and US pressure, were allowed by the UN to insert there against the wishes of those who already lived on the land and the indigenous population of Palestine plus the growing terrorism the Zionist terrorist Groups were inflicting on British Troops and UN representatives.

I'd go as far back as the ethnic cleansing of the areas of Palestine from 1947 undertaken by the Zionists to try to clear their allocated piece of land of non-Jews, and to steal areas of the land allocated to Palestine...before any Arab country became involved.

I did think that Canadians were not as irrational against Muslims as Americans....but I have now been proven wrong.

This thread is about Israel and Palestine....and nothing to do with Muslims and anybody else.

Sometimes wonder how much irrational Zionism is used as a generally acceptable cover for even more irrational anti-Muslim opinion given how often the Palestinians get called Arab and/or Muslim. They certainly appear, on this forum, to be interchangeable descriptions, regardless of the original thread subject, and allow some threads to degenerate into anti-Muslim rants.

 

1967? you need to go back a few more HUNDRED years to find out the truth.

 

You mean like Mecca and Medina being the BIGGEST slave ports the world has ever known?.

oh yeah the Islamists have contributed greatly to the world alright.

 

Why did the Ottomans not have the same rights, in the days when might was right to do the same as the Hebrews did, the Romans, the Greeks did, the Crusaders did etc etc.

I am, by that, assuming that you are referring to the Ottoman Empire and that this is going to turn into yet another anti-Muslim rant thread.

Ooops..........just read your following post...and.......I'm not wrong...just another irrational rabid anti-Muslim rant in a thread which has nothing to do with the Ottoman Empire, Arabs or Muslims!

Do I add you to my ignore list, or report the anti-Muslim posts on this thread as taking it off topic, I wonder?

I do have to say that it is just as well I did not expect to see any rational posts, actually dealing with facts relating to the OP, from the pro-Zionists on here.......because I haven't been disappointed at their running true to form.

 

Grow Up dude.

The Arab-Palestinian is wrong is all of this. Your God Allah provided you with 2 Holy sites that you cherish: Mecca and Medina, with Mecca being the Holiest and the home of the Kabba Stone.

Muslims covet Jerusalem but it's not your Holy city, it never was. You took it in war some years ago. Then you lost it in war. As did many other so-called factions, including the Ashkenazi Jews aka Children of Esau/Edom aka Rome who run it right now. but that will soon change too. but not by Palestinian hands.

Your people(Arabs) and the Romans(fake jews) are fighting over Solomon's Temple and the land to have control over all of his Holy works and writings and Temples.

IMO, You and the Romans want to understand Solomons works in such a way as to derail the return of Christ. This is why 99.9% of Muslims do not believe that Yeshua is God in the flesh and walked amongst us.

IMO, You both want to calculate his return in hopes you can kill him and try to prove the lies you've been spreading all these centuries, and that lie is, that there is no God.

But fortunately, your plans will be foiled in the Valley of Megiddo where the majority of your people (and theirs) will be food for vultures.

You must pay for the sins against the Israelites(the rightful Owners of that land), and you will.


You wanted to know why they are fighting day in and day out? that's why.

 

This place is full of religous whack jobs.

It's amusing.

 

No it's sodding irritating.......because they reduce any thread which might produce discussion into a series of to and fro insults.

It would be good to have a thread about the situation between Israel and the Palestinians without any mention of the Bible or anti-Muslim rants. To hear them, you'd think that all Palestinians are Muslims.......and all the Abrahamic Religions worshipped a different God..instead of them all worshipping the one made up by the Jews, with amendments to suit their specific agendas.

 

It is written. don't hate the messenger.

 

the Palestinians are Muslims. Arab Muslims. if not, who are they then? they're definitely not Israelites.

Which of the 12 Tribes of Israel did they descend from?

This will answer 99.9% of all your questions about the mid-east conflict.

and those pale "Jews" are not real "Ju's" either. they have lied to the world and stolen the name to suit them.

the name "Ju" is an abbreviation of the name Judah, which was the dominant tribe of the 12 Tribes of Israel.

the Ashkenazis' went to war with them during the days of Herod and stole their name and are tying to steal their legacy to this day, but to no avail.

God has it set up now to where the Palestinians are making war with them daily because of this, but not even the Palestinians know why they must war with them all this time. they just love blood and war. they were wired for it. Read the Bible. the Arabs are the children of Ishmael, Issacs brother. Issac is the father of Jacob(Israel).

Ishmael is spoken of in the Bible as "the Wild Man"...and I be darn if he ain't a wild mofo right now. anybody can see that. This man, God is sending against the fake jews until his return.

And you wonder why the land called "Israel" is dripping with blood non-stop? that's why.

 

What is written?

A bunch of mumbo jumbo, and myths, as written by primative and uneducate men?

Yeah, that is written alright - it has BS written all over it.

I suppose the talking snake, and the talking donkey in Genesis are true as well, right?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o"]George Carlin - Religion is bullshit. - YouTube[/ame]

 

Which god?

There have been thousands, including those that pre date the Hebrew god.

God is imaginary.

If you wish to engage in a political discussion, there is no use putting it all down to something that is imaginary.



[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ"]10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer - YouTube[/ame]


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVuw1wEuaAQ"]How do we know that Christians are delusional? - YouTube[/ame]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians

 

And ironically, right after that comedy skit aired, George Carlin croaked..

God is not mocked