The Reality Of Abortion Clinics Without Buffer Zones

then you have changed your tune .. I remember you posting the following;

http://www.politicalforum.com/abortion/343006-pro-life-policies-work.html

and arguing that comprehensive sex education and free contraception actually increased abortions because it encouraged people to have indiscriminate sex .. have you changed your opinion on that, if so good for you.

 

That's hilarious. I work in the field of applied microbiology ... you ?

Please tell me more teacher. Tell me how the cells of your body came in to being without involvement from humans ? Did aliens build these cells ?

This is like saying that you a person does not come from their grandfather.

What does uniqueness have do to with anything. Do you think that unique things can not come from a human ?

Good that you understand what a human cell is. You listed a bunch of human cells. None of those cells are humans.

The zygote is also a human cell.

What is the significant difference between the zygote cell and the other human cells that makes the zygote cell a human while the others are not ?

A human does not begin at the zygote. The creation of a human begins.

If you wish to claim a human exists at the zygote stage then you must show a human exists. You have committed a logical fallacy "assuming the premise"

Your assumption is that a human exists at the zygote stage.

The fact of the matter is that not a single cell in the structure a human exists. What is your definition of human such that a human can exist without having a single cell that is part of the structure of a human present ?

 

You didn't mention whether or not you have a degree in microbiology. Many
people work in the field of science, medicine, education and the like and
don't have a degree.

Do you have a degree in microbiology?

 

You seem to have a strange definition of "specialized cell" To me specialization is when cells become more specialized to a purpose rather than being multi purpose cells.

http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/stemcells.html

The two daughter cells after the first mitotic division are clones of the parent cell. Each are "totipotent" and individually capable of producing all the cells for a new human. Later cells lose this ability and become more specialized.

Regardless.... I matters not to the central question of whether or not the zygote is a human.

Your claim " A human being at x stage of its life" commits the logical fallacy of assuming the premise.

You have not proven that a living human/human being exists at the zygote stage so quit making statements that assume this premise is true.

Restating a premise is not proof of truth. "A Zygote is a living human because a zygote is a living human" is not an argument for much.

 

Degree in chemistry and minor in microbiology, have worked in applied micro for 20 years.

No worries though, you won't have to listen to my opinion. I give sources for my claims (normally something with some semblance of academic rigor unless it is a generic obvious information).

Blue's is having trouble getting out of the logical fallacy stage so it is doubtful that anything resembling scientific rigor will be going on anytime soon.

 

Good job.

 

What is the latest in cell regeneration? I have heard of some progress.

 

Stem cells is not my area if that's what you mean. Here is a paper (2004) which explains some of the basis and does an interesting job of outlining some of the ethical arguments.

http://dm5migu4zj3pb.cloudfront.net/manuscripts/23000/23549/JCI0423549.pdf

As for current events in stem cell research there are many .. here is one in Canada http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categori...tem-cell-research-breakthrough-in-canada.html

 

What about genetic manipulation with lasers?

 

Scary - Soon we be creating monsters !

 

I have heard that cells can be encouraged to regenerate somewhat analogous to reptiles regrowing a lost tail. I think there is some progress being made with teeth. Imagine being able to grow a new set of teeth, when necessary.

 

No I can't call it anything I want to and use proper English language and as I already noted medicine calls it a BABY. That is what is killed in an abortion. Deal with it.

 

No don't be ridiculus, else are you claiming a 1 year is not a human being because it is not big and doesn't look like an adult human being?

 

Yes both are proper English and one does not cancel the other.

Want to take the bet posted earlier? And a person is a human being, a fetus is a human being.

 

Yea that is hilarious you work in that field and would make that statement. I majored in biology although it never became a profession.

Tell me dear microbiologist, which of my cells did I get from my mother and which of my cells did I get from my father?

Not at all dear microbiologist, my DNA was derived from them but even at that my DNA is unique to me alone. But I got no cells from my grandparents.

Everything, why do people who recieve transplants have to take anti-rejection drugs dear microbiologist.

They make up a human being at that stage of that human beings life, they are a part of that complete human at that stage of that humans life, specialized cells that make up organs and tissue.

And also a complete human being at that stage of it's life.

The zygote is a complete human being at that state of it's life which will continue to grow as a human being through all it's stages of life unless it is aborted or later terminated by some means. Tell me dear microbiologist, how does that differ from a liver cell which is part of a human being? Hmmmmm

Wrong, the human being is created when the zygote is created else show where a zygote has grown into some other living being.

If you wish to show some other being is created then give me the genus and species.

And spare me your misrepresented logic.

I don't assume, you assume one is not.

That is the structure of a human at that state of it's life, apparent embryology was not your strong suite.

Human Embryology & Teratology: "Fertilization is an important landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed... Fertilization is the procession of events that begins when a spermatozoon makes contact with a secondary oocyte or its investments... The zygote ... is a unicellular embryo... "The ill-defined and inaccurate term pre-embryo, which includes the embryonic disc, is said either to end with the appearance of the primitive streak or ... to include neurulation. The term is not used in this book." (p. 55)."Human Embryology & Teratology

"The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
[Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3]

"Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism.... At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun.... The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life."
[Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943]


"Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
[Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]

"Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and M�ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]

"[A]nimal biologists use the term embryo to describe the single cell stage, the two-cell stage, and all subsequent stages up until a time when recognizable humanlike limbs and facial features begin to appear between six to eight weeks after fertilization....
"[A] number of specialists working in the field of human reproduction have suggested that we stop using the word embryo to describe the developing entity that exists for the first two weeks after fertilization. In its place, they proposed the term pre-embryo....
"I'll let you in on a secret. The term pre-embryo has been embraced wholeheartedly by IVF practitioners for reasons that are political, not scientific. The new term is used to provide the illusion that there is something profoundly different between what we nonmedical biologists still call a six-day-old embryo and what we and everyone else call a sixteen-day-old embryo.
"The term pre-embryo is useful in the political arena -- where decisions are made about whether to allow early embryo (now called pre-embryo) experimentation -- as well as in the confines of a doctor's office, where it can be used to allay moral concerns that might be expressed by IVF patients. 'Don't worry,' a doctor might say, 'it's only pre-embryos that we're manipulating or freezing. They won't turn into real human embryos until after we've put them back into your body.'"
[Silver, Lee M. Remaking Eden: Cloning and Beyond in a Brave New World. New York: Avon Books, 1997, p. 39]

 

Noting strange about them, you are beginning to make me doubt you claim about being a microbiologist though. And artificial manipulation of cells in the lab changes not a twit of what I have said dear microbiologist.

See above.

 

I can deal with it just fine...you're the one who can't seem to deal with it......I said you can call it anything you want and that won't stop abortions or stop abortions being legal.

 

If that were true, wouldn't medical dictionaries include prenatal stages in their definition of "baby"? Not a single medical dictionary at freedictionary.com did.

baby /ba·by/ (ba´be) infant.
Dorland's Medical Dictionary for Health Consumers. © 2007 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.

ba·by (bb)
n.
A very young child; an infant.
The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

baby
Etymology: ME, babe
1 an infant or young child, especially one who is not yet able to walk or talk.
2 to treat gently or with special care.
Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier.

baby
baby Drug slang
A regional term for:
(1) Marijuana;
(2) A minor heroin habit.
Vox populi
A popular term for an infant, or the youngest PERSON in a family; an infant from birth to toddlerhood (circa age 2).
Segen's Medical Dictionary. © 2012 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved.

baby [ba´be]
infant.
Miller-Keane Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Medicine, Nursing, and Allied Health, Seventh Edition. © 2003 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.

baby
Vox populi
A popular term for an infant, or the youngest PERSON in a family, from birth to toddlerhood–circa age 2. See Blue baby, Blueberry muffin baby, Bollinger baby, Cloud baby, Collodion baby, Crack baby, Designer baby, Juicy baby, Test tube baby.
McGraw-Hill Concise Dictionary of MODERN Medicine. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.

ba·by (bā'b&#275,
An infant; a newborn child.
Farlex Partner Medical Dictionary © Farlex 2012

ba·by (bā'b&#275
1. An infant; a newborn child.
2. Colloquially, in some usages, the younger child.
Medical Dictionary for the Health Professions and Nursing © Farlex 2012

 

Oh Cady, you silly thing , going all scientificky and using silly bits of fluff like medical dictionaries when you know darn well the average person on the street knows more than those "experts". If a woman says she has a bun in her oven , then it's a bun and she'll give birth to a bun. it'll even have little raisin eyes...and poppy seeds for hair....now get with it , girl. Stop that icky fact stuff...


Seriously, can you believe the crap in here..... If I call my Pontiac a Jaguar do ya think it'll be one ???

 

Everyone who supports pro-lifers supports slavery for pregnant women

Its just a fact.

 

So a human egg one second after fertilization is called a "baby" by "medicine"?

 

It is you who is guilty of using incorrect English, the term baby when used in relation to a zef (zygote/embryo/fetus) is used in an informal manner . .or are you saying that when I call my car - my "baby" I am stating that it is a human being .. how absurd.

 

What normal person calls the car their "baby"? LOL. very few.

 

Dr. Emmett Brown

[video=youtube;JFT7hNhop7w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFT7hNhop7w[/video]

Or more seriously...LOTS of people. In referring to cars, planes, and boats. Same reason such vessels are also referred to as "she" or "her".

 

Oh look the standard pro-life mantra of using fallacies in place of facts .. BTW the one above is an appeal to ridicule - http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-ridicule.html

"The Appeal to Ridicule is a fallacy in which ridicule or mockery is substituted for evidence in an "argument."