The Religion of Atheism

Sure I do!
If I see you praying to a statue of satan I will tell you that your religion is satanist.
If I see you praying to a statue of christ I will tell you that your religion is christian.
If I see you worshiping the lack I will tell you that your religion is atheist.
Nothing too difficult about that

 

Nope didnt say anything about all atheists being satanists, nose is getting longer

Nope didnt say anything about all atheists being satanists, but I see I forgot materialism, nose is really growing fast

Nope didnt say anything about all atheists being satanists, but I see I forgot materialism, nose is really growing fast

and from your posts we can conclude atheists have no shame.

 

You never tire of reading them do you

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Atheism is the comprehensive world view <<=== They admit they are a religion! LMAO of persons who are free from theism and have freed themselves of supernatural beliefs altogether. It [Atheism] is predicated on ancient Greek Materialism.

Materialism declares that the cosmos is devoid of immanent conscious purpose; that it is governed by its own inherent, immutable, and impersonal laws; that there is no supernatural interference in human life; that humankind, finding the resources within themselves, can and must create their own destiny. It teaches that we must prize our life on earth and strive always to improve it. It holds that human beings are capable of creating a social system based on reason and justice. Materialism’s ‘faith’ <<=== WOOHOO More admission atheism is a religion! is in humankind and their ability to transform the world culture by their own efforts. This is a commitment that is, in its very essence, life-asserting. It considers the struggle for progress as a moral obligation that is impossible without noble ideas that inspire us to bold, creative works. Materialism holds that our potential for good and more fulfilling cultural development is, for all practical purposes, unlimited.
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Oh and it gets better!

What Can You Do as an Atheist Minister?

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What you can do as an Atheist Minister
In a Christian church, the minister is the one who leads the service, performs ceremonies such as funerals and weddings, and provides counseling to its members. Who provides these services to atheists and others who do not attend church? Being ordained as an atheist minister allows you the privileges to provide comfort and care when individuals need the support of clergy.

If you have friends or family who practice a different religion, think how nice it would be to offer your service to them for their wedding. You can even perform Christian weddings without having to go through long religious classes or seminary. Once you are ordained, you can focus on planning the meaningful ceremony that represents the beliefs of those involved.

Becoming an ordained [atheist] minister with the Universal Life Church not only allows you to participate in a special way in weddings, but also in funerals or christening ceremonies for children. Ministers ordained through the Universal Life Church can even conduct chaplain work inside prisons and hospitals in 48 states. It doesn't matter where you become ordained in the ULC because of the legal basis that all ULC churches are legally equivalent.

Ordination Is Easy

Atheist ordination in the Universal Life Church is quite easy. It's also free. The online application does not ask for any religious affiliation or background. It takes just a few minutes to get your confirmation email. When filling out the online form, remember these things:

• We do not share your information or email.
  
  • You have to use your valid, legal full name. A nick name invalidates your ordination.
  • We must have your address.
  • You must be over 13 to sign up. We do ordain individuals under the age of 18, but in some states you have to be at least 18 to officiate at a wedding.

The Need for Ministers
With same-sex marriages becoming legal in more states, the need for an atheist minister willing to perform these ceremonies is growing. Many Christian ministers have to answer to their denomination and cannot receive permission to officiate or refuse to. The need is greater in rural communities where people do not have access to a lot of different places to find the minister that respects them.

It's unfortunate that many people stay away from the life ceremonies that mean so much because they do not believe they will find a minister who will respect their beliefs. Your ordination gives you the ability to provide care and support during the most special moments of life, birth, marriage, and death.

When you are ordained through the ULC, you have access to our vast resources and information. We provide assistance if you have problems with the county clerk accepting your ULC credentials. Because we have so many [atheist] ministers, we have been through the procedure before. We have a training guide and helpful hints about what you need to do in your state to perform wedding ceremonies that will be legally recognized.

The ULC respects your spiritual philosophies, and we never tell you how to practice your religion. We hold all belief systems in equal regard. Our mission is to ordain those who desire it. Your ordination is free for your lifetime. Become an atheist minister with the Universal Life Church and begin serving others.

So have you become an ordained atheist yet?

How embarrassing that must be for the modern neoatheists of the lack!

 

What you see, or what you think you see is irrelevant. People decide for themselves how they identify themselves. It pisses me off when people think that they can tell others what they are.

 

Thank you! Believe that you have proven my point.

 

Sorry you seem to be having comprehension difficulties. Never said you claimed all athiests were Satanists. The claim was you post articles about the Church of Satan to illustrate general claims you make about all athiests. Is that difference too difficult for you to understand?

Here. Try reading my post again:

" I am not the poster trying to pretend that the Church of Satan somehow represents all or even a significan percentage of athiests. You know perfectly well that you have done that repeatedly and all it ever proves is your fundamental intellectual dishonesty and the bankruptcy of your arguments "

 

not so sure about yours but certainly proved mine

 

You seem to have some difficulty with the nuances of the English language. There is a rather obvious difference between the claim that all Athiests are Satanists and your claiming that the views of Satanists are the same as the views of all athiests.

But congratulations, you did prove that I used the word " all" .

 

Now you know that's not true. I'm an atheist and a conservative who despises the state. So you know at least one atheist without a god. And I gave you a very good argument why atheism qua atheism is not a religion but an overarching term that includes both some religions (Buddhism, Taoism) and some nonreligious people. I also gave you a very good argument why secular humanism, which you seem to be implying most atheists subscribe to, does not cover all atheists, since it doesn't cover me in particular. I'm perfectly willing to agree that secular humanism is a religion, but not that atheism in itself is a religion. That's like saying that theism is a religion. It isn't. It's a belief, incorporated in the majority of religious beliefs, but a substantial number of Americans believe in God without subscribing to any particular religion.

 

yep which is why religion is so personal, everyone heir own twist on it.

Thats not the same as not having a G/god. Your G/god is what you worship; ie in secular terms the philosophy you pay homage to.

I recall giving you a better counterargument, a debate you abandoned, though I dont remember either.

The only thing that covers all atheists is the belief that no G/gods exist, the primary identifier 'ism', the rose colored glasses that describes which flavor of religion you identify with.

As I said its the ism, the rose colored glasses that you wear describes which flavor of religion you identify with.

It is same deal there in a broad sense which also takes into consideration an itemized of everything that seen through your rose colored glasses. Just like Christian is not a religion, but what is accepted as a christian, as seen through the rose colored glasses of a christian.

But they do, they simply do not subscribe to any corporate religion, they subscribe to their own personal private religion where they decide their own dogma, rather than some corporate body.

 

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I recall giving you a better counterargument, a debate you abandoned, though I dont remember either.

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How can you recall if you don't remember?

 

its too complicated for you lol.

 

So you're redefining "religion" as "any body of beliefs" rather than " a fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a group of people. These set of beliefs concern the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, and involve devotional and ritual observances. They also often contain a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs." https://www.allaboutreligion.org/meaning-of-religion-faq.htm I would suggest that your definition is strange and not agreed to by experts on the topic. By that definition, someone's beliefs about aliens could qualify as a religion, even if no one else on earth agreed with them. That's not a religion. Furthermore, one belief does not a religion make. Being an atheist or a theist does not identify your "religion" in any particular way, any more than one's belief or disbelief in an afterlife. It may preclude one religion or another, like a Christian atheist would be a contradiction in terms, but it doesn't identify a religion. And having been both Christian and atheist, I don't think my view of the world has changed any as a consequence.

 

FYI anytime you see the word 'group' it goes without saying you are talking state, ie corporation or company, something typically considered a quorum, religion does not require a quorum, only an agreement to protect 'everyone's' religion.

Setting some of your points aside for the moment, what makes your version correct and this version that virtually every 'religion' agrees upon wrong?

If atheism is not a religion then its fair game to point out that atheists believe something 'contrary' to the religions below?

First Principles of Religion: Human Dignity, Freedom of Expression, and Freedom of Religion

Reaffirming Basic Religious Principles
In light of ongoing conflicts across the world, many of them in the name of religion, we are continuing the series we began in the first week of Ramadan on the “First Principles of Religion.” In today’s note we highlight the following First Principles of Religion: Respect for Human Dignity, Respect for Freedom of Thought and Expression, and Respect for Freedom of Religion. You can find the launch of the series here, and links to the other principles at the bottom of this page.

This principle [human dignity] rules out discrimination against people on the basis of race, ethnicity, ancestry, socio-economic status, gender, or disability; an increasing number of people believe it also rules out discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Seen positively, the principle of equal dignity calls for respect for all human beings, even those with whom we most profoundly disagree or whose cultures or lifestyles seem most alien to us. Recognition of the equal worth of all is, therefore, essential to building a world community of wholeness and peace in this age of globalization.

A few of the verses in religious texts that speak to the Principle of Respect for Human Dignity include the following:

Islam: “We have indeed honored the descendants of Adam (ie. human beings).” (Qur’an 17:70)

Christianity: “Do you not know that you are the Temple of God?” (1 Corinthians 3:16)

Judaism: “So God created humanity in God’s image, in the image of God God created them.” (Genesis 1:27)

Buddhism: “All sentient beings without exception have the Buddha-nature.” (Nirvana Sutra)

Hinduism: “The human body is the temple of God.” (Rig Veda)

As has been the case with the freedom of religion and conscience, historically some religious leaders and institutions have, for reasons of culture or politics, failed to recognize this. Today, however, all major religious traditions affirm this freedom also as an inalienable human right. The defense of civil liberties is a religious as well as a civic obligation.

A few of the verses in religious texts that speak to the Principle of Freedom of Thought and Expression include the following:

Islam: “O people! I have been entrusted with authority over you but I am not the best of you. Help me if I am right, and correct me when I am wrong.” (Abu Bakr, the first caliph)

Christianity: “It is in accordance with their dignity as persons-that is, beings endowed with reason and free will and therefore privileged to bear personal responsibility-that all men should be at once impelled by nature and also bound by a moral obligation to seek the truth, especially religious truth. However, men cannot discharge these obligations in a manner in keeping with their own nature unless they enjoy immunity from external coercion as well as psychological freedom.” (Second Vatican Council, Declaration on Religious Freedom, 2)

Judaism: “Just as people’s faces are not the same, so their opinions are not the same; everyone has their own opinion … At the hour of his death, Moses asked the Holy One Blessed Be He: Sovereign of the Universe, each person’s opinion is open and known to you, and everyone has different opinions. When I leave them, please appoint them a leader who will accept each person’s opinion.” (Numbers Rabbah, Pinhas, 21.2)

Buddhism: “The ultimate authority must always rest with the individual’s own reason and critical analysis.” (Dalai Lama)

Hinduism: “Let noble thoughts come to us from all sides.” (Rig Veda)


Today, even in those traditions that historically have had hesitations about this principle, the overwhelming majority of leaders and adherents of all major religions firmly support the freedom to make an un-coerced choice of whether and how to develop a personal relationship with any religious tradition or with none, recognizing such freedom as an inalienable right and an essential foundation for genuine religious commitment.

A few of the verses in religious texts that speak to the Principle of Freedom of Religion and Conscience include the following:

Islam: “O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another.” (Qur’an, 49:13)

Christianity: “It is a fundamental human right, a privilege of nature that every man should worship according to his own convictions: one man’s religion neither harms nor helps another man. It is assuredly no part of religion to compel religion—to which free-will and not force should lead us.” (Tertullian, To Scapula, 2.1-2)

Judaism: “Since the manner that human thought and feeling connects with the infinite supernal Divine light needs to be in a multiplicity of colors, therefore every nation and society must have a different spiritual way of life.” (Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook)

Buddhism: “Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing; nor upon tradition; nor upon rumor; nor upon what is in a scripture; nor upon surmise; nor upon an axiom; nor upon specious reasoning; nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over; nor upon another’s seeming ability; nor upon the consideration, ‘The monk is our teacher.’ When you yourselves know: ‘These things are bad; these things are blamable; these things are censured by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to harm and ill,’ abandon them.” (Kalama Sutra 4)

Hinduism: “Truth is one. The wise call it by many names.” (Rig Veda)

Five Great Vows (Maha-vratas) of Jainism

• Non-violence - Ahimsa.
• Truth - Satya.
• Non-stealing - Achaurya or Asteya.
• Celibacy/Chastity - Brahmacharya.
• Non-attachment/Non-possession - Aparigraha.

Friends put their faith in action through living their lives by the following principles: prayer, personal integrity, stewardship (which includes giving away minimum of 10% income and refraining from lotteries), marriage and family (lifelong commitment), regard for mind and body ( ...

Nontheist Quakers

Nontheist Quakers
A nontheist Friend or an atheist Quaker is someone who affiliates with, identifies with, engages in and/or affirms Quaker practices and processes, but who does not accept a belief in a theistic understanding of God, a Supreme Being, the divine, the soul or the supernatural. Like theistic Friends, nontheist Friends are actively interested in realizing centered peace, simplicity, integrity, community, equality, love, happiness and social justice in the Society of Friends and beyond.

You can get caught up on the First Principles series below:

Respect for Life
Respect for Human Dignity
Respect for Freedom of Thought and Expression
Respect for Freedom of Religion and Conscience
Respect for Others: The Golden Rule

https://ing.org/first-principles-religion-human-dignity-freedom-expression-freedom-religion/

 

I disagree. It's not a religion without a body of believers. If it's just you, it's just an eccentricity. If it's just you and your family, it's a collective eccentricity. If it's a set of beliefs spread out over an area too large for a gathering, it's a shared eccentricity. If it's novel, it's not a religion, but may be at some point in the future. If it's just one belief shared by a lot of people, it's not a religion. Like 14% of the populace believes in Bigfoot. That doesn't make belief in Bigfoot a religion, because there's no set of beliefs, no gathering, no traditions and practices that go with it. To be a religion requires a lot of other elements than simply a belief.

First of all, this organization is deeply, deeply mistaken about the beliefs of Islam. Nearly all of the peaceful, inclusive verses found in the Koran have been abrogated by later verses that call upon all Muslims to make war upon the infidels until they confess that there is only one God, Allah, and that Mohammed is his prophet, or agree to be subjects of Muslims and pay the jizya (tax). There is no freedom of speech or freedom of religion in Islam, and the more fundamentalist a country is, the less freedom of speech and religion exists in that country. It being the case, therefore, that this first principle is not shared by all religions, we can then go on and dismiss any and all claims that any other principles are shared by all religions. God? Some say yes, some say no, some say many, some say God-in-all. Afterlife? Some say yes, some say no, some say only for a chosen few. Since not all religions agree with one another on any particular issue you might choose, whether or not atheism agrees with any particular issue or not is irrelevant to the question of whether or not atheism is itself a religion. And I'm sure you can find any number of atheists on any particular side of any particular question you might like to ask. I'm sure there are even atheists who believe in the afterlife or soul travel or reincarnation.

Anton LaVey's Satanism is a fundamental contradiction in terms. It can't be simultaneously atheist and Satanist, and it certainly can't use Christian symbols of the Adversary and then deny that he/it exists, or equate he/it with "science". This is another example of the confusion that reigns in the Satanist church:



"The Satanic Temple said the statue is symbol for what they advocate, the separation of church and state."
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/detroit/satanic-statue-unveiled-in-detroit

Wrong, this is a symbol of Baphomet, and Baphomet dates back to a time when the separation of church and state didn't exist. These people don't even understand what it is they are worshipping.

 

So sort this out for us.....if tomorrow everyone on the planet was vaporized but the pope, his religion would now be required to change from religious to eccentric, because its not possible to have religion without a mob consensus.

noun

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

The above is beyond the capabilities of a single person?

 

If everyone but the pope were vaporized tomorrow, I guess we'd all know which religion was the correct one except the pope. My view is that since Roman Catholicism has had a mob consensus for a very long time now, he could die alone as a Roman Catholic. That's not that hard. But if you were to take up worshipping a hippo god tomorrow, and no one ever joined you in worshipping your hippo god, and you never developed a set of devotional and ritual observances related to your hippo god, would you really have a religion? It's not even a cult at this point, it's just a freak show composed of one person. If you get a dozen to a hundred people to join you, now you have a cult, but still not a religion. If it fades out and dies with your death, it dies as a cult, not a religion. It's really not a religion in my book until the founder dies. Then you see whether or not it has staying power.

Yes. Beyond the capabilities of even a hundred people.

 

So then you agree that a single person can have religion.

 

So I presume you can see the brick wall you hit when you try to force the corporate black cloud over religion, no one could claim a new religion before they 'first' created a corporation. The religion of JC started and was recognized during his life with no requirement for anyone to die first. Someone simply made all those irrelevant rules up. Furthermore forcibly corporatizing anything what so ever that an individual is capable of doing is prejudicial and it goes without saying discriminatory. There are no 'legitimate' requirements that would prevent 'any' individual from creating and practicing their personal brand and flavor of religion. It all starts with the actions of one person, (JC Proved that point) that persons religion attracts others and at that point the only way they can operate in western society in the capacity of a group is to form some kind of association or corporation. Where your arguments fail is that they are precise backward from the way it really works. Then when enough people get on board with what started out as your personal religion you form a 'culture'. Creative labels do not dismiss the fact these are (or could be religions). It merely modifies it to become 'eccentric religion', 'religious cult' and so forth. To deny any single person their personal flavor of religion is also in violation of the US constitution.

 

Just like you agree that a strawman can have a brain.

That's simply false. Jesus didn't see himself as starting a new religion, only reforming Judaism. No one was called a Christian until after Jesus died (the second time). The religion itself was about to wiped out of existence by the Romans (while it was still a cult) until Saul/Paul's conversion and he took up the mantle and started preaching to the Gentiles. And no, I don't respect anyone's personal beliefs just because they decide to call it a religion.

 

I do agree with you "The problem is people,"

 

The loudest minority often shadows the moderates, doesn’t make prejudice any more rational.

 

That athiests can be just as irrational and ideologically driven as any religious fundamentalist.

 

But never due to Atheism.

"Hey folks...lets go invade and kill them folks because they don't believe in what we don't believe?"

 

If you want to go with that theory, then religious people are also not irrational or ideologically driven due to religion. I'm willing to agree with that theory, that people are just irrational and ideologically driven and religion or atheism just gives them an excuse to act out their irrationality. Are you?