The Religious Left's Misguided View On Capital Punishment.

State sponsored "homicide" is a monstrous act, and only degenerates and barbarians would consider it anything else.

 

Actually formal trials were a requirement by Levitical law. Your whole answer does not refute the fact that Jesus is not taking a political position on the right of the state to perform executions; which I already knew could not be refuted.

There are so many things wrong with your statement I don't know where to begin. Wait, I know. How about the justice system does not and never has taken its cues from the Bible? The Bible only spells out the rightful domain of the state to execute justice, a contract it had long before Moses. If you remember, the death penalty is the oldest law given to man besides "Don't eat that fruit." It goes all the way back to Noah and is foundational for how governments exercise control over the criminal elements in their society.

Moreover, the "all or nothing" approach that God haters use that because we no longer sanction mixed fabrics also means that homosexuality is ok because you can't enforce one without the other is a common error. Certain concepts have not changed from the Old Covenant to the New. We still observe the 10 commandments and all moral laws governing sexuality and our dealings with God and fellow man. The perogative of the government to enforce laws by all means including death has also not changed. And more to the point, the last person that would change that would be Jesus who himself gave that law in the Old Testament. Because you're hostile to the holy Trinity, it's not something I could expect you to understand.

 

Surfer Joe.

 

Thus sprach Surfer Joe!

Hey Joe, you ever think that it might be a good idea to back up your one-line blurbs with some supporting facts or even a brief explanation?

...or are we all supposed to blindly accept your every declaration as if it were the word of God?

 

Christianity is perverted in America and a lot of other places.

 

Oh sig, don't play dumb.
You know that you are supposed to take my every declaration here as my opinion, just like everything anybody says here.
You can dress it up in your favorite pundit's prattle, or you can trot out some statistic if it makes you feel better, but you and I both know that everyone here is just flogging their own opinion and nothing more.
If you need an explanation for mine, try the 6th commandment.

 

It seems there are a lot of attacks on Protestants because in America, they almost all reject socialism and promote personal responsibility, patriotism, and fiscal discipline. They believe in a strong justice system that enforces time honored moral values. None of that seems like a crime to me. As far as I see it, it's the liberal Left who has perverted Christianity with their philosophy, built on a lie, that esteems greed, envy, and coveteousness as high virtues. They have no problem dragging Jesus through the mud of their twisted beliefs.

 

There's no hypocrisy on my end. You claimed to respect the opinions of others, not me. I despise the opinions of the Left and will never claim otherwise.

He yet again declined to take any political position. What about this do you not get?

You pretend to be an honest broker, but you're the biggest bull(*)(*)(*)(*)ter of them all. Here you are attacking me when I haven't once perverted the teachings of Christ to promote my political opinions and you expressly ignore those on the other side of this issue who has. You aren't an impartial judge, you're a partisan hack.

Repeated references to Muslims don't score you any points because there is little comparison. They believe murder is justifiable in jihad, Christians don't. They believe in hanging homosexuals, Christians don't. They oppress women, Christians don't. They believe in a society ruled by religion, Christians don't. Seeing as Christians have used the death penalty on no small scale like Muslims, it serves as a point of hypocrisy for this temporary, fleeting, pop culture antipathy toward capital punishment to be levied against an entire history that, not unlike the Muslims, enforced its laws and values using every means of punishment up to and including death.

Your little anti CP fashion trend? This too shall pass.

 

Pitting the Old Testament against the New Testament? Really? And what the hell do you mean there is no God in most of the Old Testament? What kind of kooky religious cult do you hail from?

 

Hmmm. I usually don't argue with guys pushing shopping carts filled with their possession for the same reason I'm reticent to bother replying here. Oh well, one last post, then I'll give you a dollar for beer and send you on your way.
You come here insulting everyone and everything that isn't You, and you use religion to do it. You are clueless as to what Christ taught and just plain make sh1t up, then reference Jesus to try to give it validity. You also try to use Christ as a means to attack Liberals.
So fine. You don't know sh1t about what Jesus taught - which really came down to only 4 things and by the content of this thread, it's obvious you've missed all four. So you're ignorant. You don't even know the message that Christ brought.
Why is no one reading this thread surprised?

Oh. And as far as those "Libs" you reference, none of them have said there should be no justice. They have said they don't believe the state should be given the power to kill people. Many Conservatives fel that way too. Oops. I'm slipping into reason with a shopping cart person. nm
You just go ahead and rant about some good ol' killin' in the name of Jesus! It's all good.

 

Oh, gee, Surfer Joe, I never realized that you were just flogging your opinion! I thought you were merely flogging your dolphin!

Now, if it's not too much trouble, would you mind buttressing your opinion instead of flogging it?

 

It seems all I'm doing is taking arrows for my position....your arrows. It's very convenient that you haven't corrected me by telling me what you believe Jesus taught. So why don't we turn this around by asking you where you think I'm in error and how Jesus supported liberalism and opposed the death penalty. Clearly you think I'm in error in my position that Jesus never staked out a political position on anything, but you haven't offered proof.

Your turn.

 

Ah a debate? How refreshing.
1. Yes or No: Your OP makes a POLITICAL point (i.e. the state's right to CP)and then references Jesus. (If you're weak here, you'll dodge the Q etc...).
2. You then continue to reference Jesus and state that people with opposing political views must be anti-Jesus / teachings etc... (If you're weak here, you'll dodge the Q etc...).

3. So I'm happy to debate a point but you're now contradicting yourself - or at minimum, competely unclear. What exactly is your point?
a) That Liberals Hate Jesus because they don't support your view on CP? I mean, you reference them all through the OP so that poltical group MUST have something to do with your point about Jesus.
b) That Jesus supports the Death Penalty?
c) That because you now say Jesus never stated a political opinion on CP (which would seem to contradict your OP but let's not give you yet another excuse to dodge direct questions!), that means He condoned it and also hates Liberals?

I mean seriously, somewhere in all your babbling bullsh1t, you must have a clearly definied point. So if we're going to debate it, what is the one sentence proposition? (Remember those from Forenzics classes and tournaments?)

"Proposed: Jesus hates Liberals and they are all evil because they disagree with St. Micheal on CP"? Is that your proposition? Yes? No? What is it exactly then?

Oh and what did Jesus teach? Distilled, it was very simple:

1. There is one God and He is not found in a church.
2. Don’t judge others, focus on your own path.
3. Love and tolerate everyone. Especially those you might be tempted to look down upon or even call your enemies.
4. Don’t go around hurting each other or even yourself. Really, it’s not very nice and God doesn’t like it.
Unfortunately, there have always been whackjobs willing to corrupt these simply messages to suit a political agenda.
We can debate whether or not these are an accurate reflection of the teachings of Christ later. Let's start with with your actual point first (assuming there was ever a coherent point to be made).

 

What's weak is your reading comprehension. I've already made clear what Jesus's position is on this political issue. He hasn't one.

No, I'm actually very strong here. What's lacking is specific grievences you have with my point. You're still stuck saying that I claim Jesus supports the death penalty when I've made clear that Jesus cannot be rightly enlisted on either side of this issue.

 

The God of the Old Testament is a very proper god for Americans - he is sick, vicious, racist, un-Christian and he doesn't actually exist. I'm just a normal human being, you know. You should meet some - there are millions and millions of us around over here.

 

I got news for you. We all judge people and you are lightyears from being any kind of exception. I don't judge the faith of CP opponents, I judge their hypocrisy, susceptibilty to political correctness, and ignorance of history.

 

The bible says a woman should be killed for not screaming loud enough while being raped.