The republicans war on women continues

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  1. 1wiseguy

    1wiseguy New Member

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    Yes, too much to give to an obvious ridiculous rhetorical query. :roll:

    You received an appropriate response.
     
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  3. Bluesguy

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    Ask the women who worked for him.

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    Originally Posted by Bluesguy View Post
    Ahh so women don't engage in sex for the thrill of it, then what do they engage in it for?

    So as the poster said they have to have an abortion because they were seeking a thrill.
     
  4. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    And how long will it take for the left to start calling here a "house n*****"?
     
  5. Libertarianforlife

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    Playing the God card again I see. That's always the best strategy, especially when you have no idea when the fetus was born in the womb. Lets throw it off on murder, and call it a day shall we.
     
  7. Libertarianforlife

    Libertarianforlife Well-Known Member

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    You not willing to admit you were wrong: color me shocked.

    Playing the God card? Is that all you have? If you ask me, letting a woman kill her unborn child is allowing the WOMAN to play the God card.
     
  8. ErikBEggs

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    A cluster of cells is not a "little girl."

    The fact is, 88% of abortions are in the first trimester and a mere 1.1% are after 21 weeks.

    If you think life begins at conception, you are inclined to believe in fairies rather than science. In the first trimester, the cluster of cells is part of the woman's body.

    I seldom take the scientific stance when addressing abortion, because I feel the problem is consistent with "imposing morality through legislation" that the hypocritical right always gripes about.

    However, when people talk about zygotes as little people, I do have to call bull(*)(*)(*)(*) when I see it.

    Ironically, the countries with the MOST abortions are the countries that have highly restrictive laws or outright prohibition of abortion. The states that advocate for anti-abortion laws (Texas and the such) also disproportionately have the highest rates of teen pregnancy.

    Frickin' conservatives.
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    An embryo is never just a cluster of cells, it is a being made up of specialized cells just like you are a being made up of specialized cells.

    I dare you to go to the mall and ask a pregnant woman you see how her "cluster of cells" is doing and watch the strange look you get for making such a dumb inquiry of her.
     
  10. ErikBEggs

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    I really could care less.

    My point on the abortion issue has always been to stop being a HYPOCRITE and advocating to LEGISLATE morality.

    Cluster of cells, embryo, zyogote, fetus, whatever. Most abortions overwhelmingly occur when the organism cannot survive outside of the woman's body. It doesn't even have a functioning brain until ~24 weeks (99% of abortions happen before then).

    My abortion arguments are pretty clear:

    1) Life at conception / when life begins is irrelevant. The being is a part of the mother's body. Hence, women's rights.
    2) Cannot legislate morality
    3) Abortions laws cannot be enforced. In EVERY scenario that outlaws abortions it exists on the black market and the abortion problem gets WORSE, not better. LAWS don't make people do anything. People will still get abortions, legal or illegal.
    4) Hate to say this, abortions save taxpayer money. Abortions disproportionately affect low income mothers. Do you want welfare queens with 15 children?
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    You care quite a bit else you would not so fervently debate the issue. And you cared enough to make your statement which is biologically incorrect.

    We have lots of moral legislation always has, abortion should be no different.

    It is not "whatever" it is "human being".

    How self-servingm why don't we just say life begins ohhhhhh 6 months after birth that way the mother can test out the baby and see if she really likes it else kill it.

    The life in the womb is NEVER a part of the mother's body, do you not know what the purpose of the womb and the placenta are, to keep them separate. If the baby was part of the mothers body the mothers body would attack it and kill it.

    Murder, robbery, rape, drug laws, incest, pedophilia, yes we as a society use the law to enforce moralities on the population.

    Just like any other law they can be enforce.


    Yes exactly what Hitler said about killing off the institutionalized and disabled.
     
  12. ErikBEggs

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    A zygote and embryo (when most abortions happen) are clusters of cells. They are "living" by definition but they are not functional human beings.

    Those laws don't infringe on the rights of others (the woman who carries to term).

    A human being has functioning organs and a brain. Human being DNA is accurate, human cells are accurate, but it isn't a human being in my view. It really doesn't matter either way though... I already said the most important argument for / against abortion is the legislation of public policy.


    If it is part of her body, sure.

    Ohh yea, they aren't connected at all. The life isn't being fed and protected by the mother. The baby has no affect on the woman's health at all... right.

    They don't infringe on the rights of others.


    And just like any other law they will be broken. Abortion is worse in countries with anti-abortion laws. I don't want a black market of dead fetuses on the street. YOU WILL NOT STOP ABORTIONS. Legislating against it makes it worse.

    Conservative view on the elderly... cut off their legs, their social security, medicare. Throw them down the river.

    Don't get self-righteous on me now, pal.
     
  13. ErikBEggs

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    I'm not down with Uncle Sugar having control over a woman's body.

    It's ironic to watch the anti-government lunatics advocate for anti-abortion laws.
     
  14. Bluesguy

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    They are organized specialized cells.

    They are human beings and they are functioning as human beings just as every human being that has ever existed functioned at that stage of their lives.

    You really shouldn't attempt to debate biological fact versus pro-abortion nonsense and justifications.

    You said we don't embody morality into law, that is a fallacious statement as I demonstrated.

    At certain stages of life but many human beings do not have functioning organs do they. Are you suggesting we abort everyone on kidney dialysis now?

    It is human and it is being, there is no arbirtary starting point used to justify killing that human being simply as a matter of convenience.

    Which has been debunked.


    But if not part of her body then it cannot be killed?



    You said the embryo is part of the mothers body, that is factually wrong. The baby in the womb is never a part of the mother. They are separate individual beings.

    They are laws based on morality which you claimed does not exist.


    That's not a conservative view that is liberal myth in order to not have to defend their immoral positions as in abortion.

    You injected it into the conversation not me.
     
  15. Bluesguy

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    So we should abolish all laws prohibiting people selling their organs to the top bidder?
     
  16. 1wiseguy

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    Better go look up the definition of irony.

    Irony is when the lunatic left who've been born advocate for the death of the innocent unborn.
     
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    So the right is at war with women
    And gays.
    How are we having sex and reproducing?
     
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    The ignorance is in that the looney right wants every fertilized egg to be considered a person and have more rights that "born" people.
     
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    Um, the subject of my comment was about irony-- but your ignorance of vocabulary and Republicans is duly noted.
     
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    I know, but ignorance kept you from realizing how ignorant the stance from the right is.....I'm sorry that it went over your head......:roflol:
     
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    Keep digging... :tombstone:
     
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    You're the one with the shovel.....:roflol:
     
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    My shovel is for use once you've dug your hole deep enough....just keep digging.
     
  24. Bluesguy

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    It's a living human being.......

    Like what? They have a right to life just as you do and the right to life trumps all other rights wouldn't you agree? Isn't it your most important right?
     
  25. Bluesguy

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    What is ignorant about it? Seems you claimed a fertilize egg is not a human being, a person, that is ignorance.

    Full Definition of PERSON

    1
    : human, individual

    You just might want to put that shovel down.
     

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