According to the 'anti-semite' baiters here, like all the interesting pro Israel characters on this forum its easy to risk being an anti semite; 1/ If I say that the creation of Israel , both the idea and the practice was immoral, am I not de legitimising Israel? Indeed I am. I really really am. 2/ If I say Israel is committing ethnic cleansing in the past and oppression now and dont mention that China commits ethnic cleansing and oppression in Tibet, or that Russia does the same in the South Caucases and has done far wider ethnic cleansings in eastern europe over the years am I not thus applying some double standard by not always mentioning other states? 3/ By criticising Israel unfairly by deliberate intent I can be thus called an anti semite. By what definition? Is this found out by reading the first line of the post? Or by asking for further clarification? No you dont need to know - they will inform you. 4/ If I question Israel's right to exist I am to be called an anti semite. A right to exist? What right is that? If such a right to exists exists, then what happened to South Sudan? What happened to the USSR? Czechoslavkia? I deny this right to exist exists for Israel or any other state am I an anti semite? 5/ If I describe Israel as instituionally racist am I thus an anti semite? Indeed thats what I am to be called by our interesting characters. 6/ If I describe Israeli occupation and settlement of the West Bank as a fundamentally evil scheme am I exaggerating and thus guilty again of anti semitism? Indeed it seems so. As one can see the scope of this charge on this thread is wide ranging and is a clear attempt to shut down debate. I advise anyone here on these threads who would want to discuss israel and occasionally or more often make criticism to tread carefully, you are now being targetted by the Pro Israel crowd as an anti semite. Let me know what you think. - - - Updated - - - Consider this interesting article about the 'right to exist'; Maybe the author is also an anti semite? http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/we-need-talk-about-israel-s-right-exist-1891640883
From the comments section of the article, How many times have I seen similar remarks on this forum! What is fundamental to the whole peace process is that Israel uses this "right to exist" as a stumbling block to agreement. It is not enough for the Palestinians and the rest of the world to accept that Israel does exist and they seek to live in peace alongside Israel. Israel demands they must also accept the political ideology of Zionism ie, it must always have a jewish majority. It is clear that many countries exist along side each other without conferring legitimacy on the others political ideology.
It is a political article heavily influenced by an author who is against Israel. That is very easy to understand. The one point the author overlooks is that a state or self determination exists for those that find a way to make it happen, there is no fairness involved in this. The Jews found a way to make it happen and the Palestinians did not. You can say it isn't fair, (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and moan, wave silly little pieces of paper in the air but that is irrelevant at the end of the day. World politics involving states is not a nice business, never has been and never will be, and the spoils go those that can play the game the best, not those who whine the loudest.
I believe that the author Ben White has been accused of being antisemitic more than he has been called fair. He is British too. Seeing that the British had a big hand in what happened(British Mandate), you really have no cause to say anything. Israel has tried to trade land, which it appropriated when it WON the 6 Day War, for peace quite a few times and Hamas will not agree unless Israel is destroyed and that is NOT going to happen.
Ben White, a Brit, has been accused of being antisemitic. Isn't this how WWII started? All this antisemitism? You people should learn from past mistakes unless you want history to repeat itself.
Actually........... over eighty percent of the founding members of Russia's Bolshevik Party belonged to an ethnic group who were more than a little angry over two thousand years of pogroms organized by Christians............. and the Spanish Inquisition..........and getting expelled from nation after nation.......by Christians. The Communist Party succeeded in killing about a hundred million Russian Christians.............. Germany was watching what was happening in Russia................. so any thinking person in Germany would realize that they needed to get prepared for a war. ....... The advice of Rabbi Nachman given in my signature ........ if it had been applied by those people in the Bolshevik Party................. could have perhaps prevented the holocaust from occurring....... and might even have helped to prevent WWII???????
A jew hater is one who hates jews. who assigns them 100% of all blame. who excoriates zionism while ignoring Islamic motivations for the destruction of Israel (once part of the ummah, always part of the ummah), who paints all Israelis with the same brush despite rather vibrant internal political dissension. A jew hater believes in the global jewish conspiracy and that there is such a thing called ZOG. A jew hater believes that the Palestinians have not contributed mightily to their own misery, nor have not always missed their opportunity to miss the opportunity. A jew hater deliberately (okay sometimes they are just too stupid to make the distinction) confuses zionism and Israel and Jews. Areyou an anti-semite if you claim the settlements are illegal? Nope. Are you an anti-semite if you claim the settlements are evil? Getting a lot closer.
Well said....... and on a practical level..... Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper may well have saved the lives of thousands of Palestinians....... and certainly hundreds of Israelis by his practical and courageous stand at the G-8 in 2011. The policy advocated by President Obama and the other leaders............. in my opinion...… would have sparked another Intefada because the leadership of the Palestinian Authority.......... tend to use any encouragement as an excuse to go all out full throttle to attempt to finish what Adolf Hitler started............. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...per-stands-alone-at-g8-summit/article4263322/ On Israel, Harper stands alone at G8 summit - The Globe and Mail
