The SOTU...before after and during commentary.

I watched a basketball game. I dont need to watch another SOTU to understand Obamas radical extremist agenda.

 

If he has a radical extremist agenda, he's been a complete failure in making much of anything he must "really want to do" happen.

 

Dismantling the US health care system, releasing terrorists into freedom to murder again, adding $8 Trillion to the national debt....hes doing quite well at his destructive agenda unfortunately.

 

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If by "dismatling the US healthcare system" (healthcare is one word btw) you mean dramatically increasing covered Americans so bills get paid and stopping insurance companies from screwing people that need it the most, then yes, he has done a good job of that. Shameful! lol

 

he wanted to pass a healthcare bill, improve the economy, lower unemployment, kill osama, set immigration policy and such, all of which were accomplished

 

I watched the speech on MSNBC and Fox.

MSNBC had one of those unscientific monitors going asking the running question "do you agree with what the president is saying now?". It crawled across the screen during the speech (I switched to Fox to see if they had their own variation of this gimmick).

MSNBC divided the participants into Democratic, Republican, and Independent.

Throughout the speech, the Democratic and Republican graphs stayed close to one another, generally high in agreement.

It was the Independents who tracked farther down the agreement spectrum, generally between 60 and 80% of the time.

Since we know from research, that the vast majority of people who call themselves independent, are generally of the far right, this is the difining problem of the Republican party. Right wing independents always fiercely declare their independence, except on election day, when they can generally be counted on to pull the GOP lever.

The gimmicky poll dramatized the divide in the GOP.

Obama called the GOP on its long record of poltical brinksmanship and laid his agenda out on the table.

What the pundits often miss is the fact that his agenda hasn't changed significantly since he outlined it in 2008.

What they often fail to note, is that he has accomplished a lot of that agenda. Even the things he hasn't gotten done, he's made progress on.

If Barack Obama achieves even one third of what he outlined in his speech last night, he will be judged a great success (well, everywhere but on Fox News).

 

The only dramatic increase is the number of people on the dole. The number of people who were actually able to "afford" health insurance had no net gain.

Forcing people to purchase insurance companies products by threat of government fine is a funny way of punishing them. Im sure Coke would be pissed if you took their $1 can of soda, increased the price to $1.25, subsidized the soda for millions, and forced people to buy it with threat of fine.

 

how much more ridiculous can you be?

 

who is paying for the pipeline and how much exactly will the pipeline cost the tax payers to build and maintain? and of course clean up any spills, do the tax payers get that bill too?

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guess we will see if republicans are up to the give and take, or if they want to be 'all take' then nothing gets done for two more years

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Go watch the Bush 2007 SOTU for a stunning contrast. He opens by congratulating the Democrats on their midterm wins, then lauds Pelosi as the first female speaker, even gives her a mini bio. No such grace and statesmanship from Obama, nada. The rest of the speech is full of contrast as well, many of the same exact issues discussed. Bush comes off as a President and Barry comes off as someone still campaigning, as usual.

 

Only around 40% of the total dummies bothered to vote. The lazy Dems didn't care and the hardcore Repubs outvoted the few hardcore Dems. Neither organization did a good job of getting out the vote but the dummy voters have to have some basic self-interest in political affairs themselves. The more the Repubs screw the country the sooner the Dems will get off of their lazy butts and dump them or the sooner the entire system will collapse. Either way it will bring about a major change, maybe for the good or maybe for the bad. There's nothing worse than when people simply stop caring.

 

Greed, plain and simple. Success buy stealing from others and stealing from children (issue debt). Anti growth, anti prosperity, anti freedom. The liberal song today. We heard it last night sadly.

 

She WAS raised in hardship, and worked hard on her family farm and worked hard to earn the money for college and excelled in her life. Why does that upset you so?

And more, that's what.

Well she grew up in the 50's so when she speaks of growing up it will be from during that time. And it was no script, it's the real deal. She didn't have well off grand parents to raise her when he parents abandoned her, oops that right her parents didn't abandon her. She didn't spend days after school getting high with her buddies and buying and selling drugs and just hanging out. She became a leader, not an organizer, and served he country in combat.

So compared to the other person who spoke last night.....................

And where did she express that believe can you quote it for me, here is the link to the text just copy and paste it in. I certainly don't find that sentiment.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...nst-state-of-the-union-gop-response/22073981/

So rather than join the country you prefer to divide it as Obama likes to do.....gotcha....

 

Surely you can understand that more bills being paid (even if it's people on subsidies or Medicaid) means lower healthcare costs in the future. I mean, not saying that makes the law great in your eyes, but you can't deny that positive effect can you?

 

Yes and they didn't support the Democrats did they.

As Obama said it was a referendum on his policies and his supports decided they had better things to do and time for the Republicans to take back control.

 

In a few years people will be begging for any kind of job. The good old days are over. It's going to be fun watching the Repub Prez explain how the Repub policies wrecked the country.

 

Why go for Speaker when he knew all he had to do was turn on the charm, suck in his dazzle-eyed sheep and get the throne? Especially up against a tired old warhorse like McCain......

 

Kennedy was said to be charismatic. So why was that a good thing for him? Palin is folksy and charming (gag) and righties adore her for it. Rick Perry is about charismatic as it gets, not to mention the epitome of narcissistic....righties flock to him.
Why is that?

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Yall need to quit crying about McCain. Palin was his downfall.

 

Kinda makes me believe the GOP have larger issues than the Dems if McCain & Romney is the best they can do, huh?

 

The majority of Americans finally overcome 220 years of relentless homogeneity, stray from rigid conformity, candidly assess their twice-elected leader as mediocre but clearly superior to the alternatives offered, and are thereby cast as his "followers" based on a "pseudo-sexual attraction.

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No it doesnt...it doesnt do that at all...it just changes who pays for it. And then it changes who pays for it by putting a giant bureaucracy and massive regulations in front of another giant bureaucracy. There is no way in HELL that was even going to lower costs or save money.

And they fully admitted that. The cost-cutting measures do not exist in reality. Hence why Gruber called you stupid.

 

I love Obama's appeal for bi-partisanship. He said, "It doesn't mean democrats compromising their principles, or republicans agreeing to everything that I want", accompanied with a threat to veto any republican ideas.

 

Obama is such a coward of course that for the sixth year running, he can't put the two words "Islamic" and "terrorism" together in the same sentence.

 

Obama will close Gitmo even if it means more terrorists leaders will be set free to kill more Americans or Frenchmen or whomever around the world. Obama is less concerned with committing treason by giving aid and comfort to the enemy than he is with the appearance that he is a weak leader who is appeasing the very enemies of the country. This is what we get when democrats elect a muslim America hater to the presidency.