The State of Florida has executed a child murderer/rapist and the left is outraged

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  1. HockeyDad

    HockeyDad Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If there is one story that illustrates why the right should never care about the left's "outrage" and the lefts "disgust", this is it.

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    What should give us some hope is the like ratios in the responses. The people are with the right, not the left on this issue.
     
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    I cannot speak to 'the left's outrage' on this issue. I can speak to the penalty of death imposed by a government. I have two reasons to object.

    The first is logical. I can see no logical reason why an individual does not have the right to kill but individuals in concert in the form of a government do have that right.

    The second is philosophical. We have no way to reverse a death penalty once carried out when it is later shown to have been an error.

    As a society, we of the United States of America are certainly wealthy enough to keep a person in jail for life instead of killing that person.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    What did the ACLU do to help get this guy to switch sides? How much money did they spend trying to get it done? And being the sex your born with is not cruel and unusual.

    As is typical of far left groups, their concern is with the criminal and not the victim.

    The ACLU can go to hell.
     
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    Uh oh, the ACLU said this is racist. Now I better understand their far left progressive concerns.
     
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    The ALCU is against the DP in general, hence the protest. And they do this with every Death Row Execution by the state. This is nothing new.
     
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    You get twelve years after the trial on average to prove you didn't do it. And the anti death penalty crowd s pp end tons of money trying to prove you didn't failing that try to make you look like St Teresa in order commute a sentence you richly deserve.
    None of that changes the fact that the raped and murdered a child. As far as I'm concerned child rape ought to carry the death penalty.
     
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    Except on this particular case, he has been on DR since the late 1980s.

    But those who are anti death penalty are more on moral issues than legal ones.
     
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    Not uncommon unfortunately. There is nothing moral about preserving the life of a child predator.
     
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    But that is due process we have. As long as the appeals are running in both State and Federal courts, he is kept alive until they run out. Not sure why it took so long in Florida.
     
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    And then he's dead but later on you discover, ooops he's not the culprit.
     
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    I'm not either as I said the average for death penalty cases is twelve.
     
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    You get twelve to fifteen years to prove other and in this case a lot longer.
     
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    Again, still dead but later on you discover, ooops he's not the culprit.
     
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    Who cares what the hell he thinks the state owed him?

    He obviously didn't give a damn about his victim's life. The world is now a better place in his absence.
     
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    There's a major flaw in your first reason there. People absolutely do have the right to kill in self defense.... They don't have the right to kill for revenge or any reason besides self-defense.

    If someone is clearly guilty of murder then they should pay with their life and the taxpayer shouldn't have to be on the hook the rest of the murderer's life to support them in prison.
     
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    Do you have any concern for this person's victim? Or are you thinking more like he's the victim here?
     
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    Victim is dead, Again, still dead but later on you discover, ooops he's not the culprit.
     
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    An extremely rare event which is probably why the appeals process can take well over a decade. I think the victim of the murderer is more important than the murderer themself.

    But I notice you're a very staunch advocate of abortion which seems to be very contradictory here since you claim to be so concerned about no innocent person dying.

    Do you also think we shouldn't send people to prison on the off chance they could be innocent?
     
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    Nope, I'm an advocate of choice. Nope, you can release someone from jail, can't raise the dead.
     
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    Hi, FatBack.

    In New York State, the 'right' to kill in self-defense is not an absolute. There are provisos.

    Ref: Is Self-Defense a Justification in New York? - D'Emilia Law (demilialaw.com)

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    I became anti death penalty as a child. I blame Burt Lancaster and his roll in "Birdman of Alcatraz".
     
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    So the left expects to taxpayers to pick up the tab for a sex change operation for no good, piece of trash murder. Typical. Money that could be spent on worthy causes gets wasted on a murder. Like all states, Florida can’t create money, like the Federal Government can, so that public officials can waste it. It has to be generated, using from taxing the citizens.

    This reminds me of the Michael Brown case who ended up dead after he roughed up a convenience store owner and attacked a police officer twice. The second time he attacked the office, the three hundred pound brute was charging a man who was much smaller than he was. The officer shot him in self defense, and the left went ballistic. They burned down a good part of Ferguson, Missouri.

    If you are going to defend a criminal, at least go for one who isn’t completely disgusting.
     
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    Do you ride the subway? Do you care about safety on the public transit system? If I still lived in the New York City area, I won’t ride it. The “mild mannered street entertainer, who imitated Michael Jackson,” was on the police list of the 40 most dangerous street criminals still on the loose in New York. He was a time bomb waiting to explode. Yet you progressives couldn’t find a way to get him off the street.

    In another incident. A man punched another man’s girl friend on the subway. He reacted and the perpetrator was killed in the process. Now that man, who is Black, under indictment.

    It’s a shame because the subway was one of the most economical ways to get to your destination in the city. I used to ride it from mid town to the Financial district, when I had a student internship. Now you take your life in your hands on it because progressives are compelled to give violent, sometimes insane criminals, “their rights” to prey on innocent people.

    If your are in New York City, the best thing to do when you see a criminal attack someone is just let it happen. You could call 911, but by the time the police get there, it will probably be too late. But that’s what the progressives want. They are pro criminal. The progressives can have the city. I am not going there again.
     
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    We live in a weird world where the ACLU thinks it is cruel and unusual to NOT remove the penis and testicles of child rapists/murderers. Peak circus era. I feel sorry for the rest of the world having to deal with a super power that is run by nutters as demented as Norman Bates from Psycho.
     
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    In this particular case it was longer. There are complex issues such as executing a person who is mentally incompetent for instance. And that is why it took longer than your average 12 years, at least in this case.
     

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