The Supreme Court case that could turn homelessness into a crime

So make it a crime to exist and not be able to afford the ridiculous rates of rent right now. You Cannot force people to seek or receive help if they do not want to. It is foolish to even try

That has no place in a free society.

But we already know that freedom is just an illusion they allow us to enjoy so long as it doesn't impose upon their agenda

 

Sheesh there are a lot of very nasty people posting here.
Negative anssumptions about homeless people freely expressed.
Freedom is OK unless you sleep in the open near the haters, live under a road bridge.
Get arrested if you have no money for accommodation and are down on your luck.
Too bad if disability leaves you on the streets.
All homeless defecate everywhere, stink, leave needles all over and are basically sub human compared to those who sit in judgement over them.

Luckily not all Americans are evil selfish and nasty.
Whatever happened to ‘there but for the grace of god go I’?

 

progressives in some Democrat states have already gone in the direction of making homelessness a crime

California's new Mental Health law will make it much easier to arrest homeless persons

California governor announces sweep of homeless encampments from state roads: ‘I’m fed up’ (Current Events, November 28, 2023)

 

I say, for once, I mostly agree with you with the caveat that democratic policies increase homelessness. A huge majority of the homeless are in the dark blue big cities and states that are ripe with progressive policies, which hurt all the little people and the littlest people of them go homeless. That is what is causing the recent explosion in homelessness. In places such as California and New York (and Oregon, per the OP), friends and family are having a hard time making their own ends meet so they are unable to help others. Get rid of progressive policies and homelessness gets better.

 

loitering is what they called it when I was younger

 

I was the one who made reference to homeless people defecating on the streets. This happens. Have you been to San Francisco in the last 5 years or so? In homeless encampments such as in San Francisco, the sight of needles is not uncommon, and I correctly mentioned needles as another problem associated with these homeless encampments. With nowhere to shower, many of them undoubtedly do stink, although I made no mention of such.

With that being said, I did not say that ALL homeless defecate EVERWHERE, I did not say ALL homeless leave needles EVERYWHERE, and I did not call them sub human. Instead, I correctly pointed out that there is a problem with public defecation which there is, and I correctly pointed out that discarded needles on the streets is another undeniable problem.

If your point was genuine, you would not have the need to grossly mischaracterize what has been said as you have done here by bogusly throwing in words like all and everywhere when they have not been used. Nobody has said that all homeless people throw needles on the ground, except for you when mischaracterizing my words.

I am sorry if these things offend you. We could all lie and pretend that this is all about unicorns and rainbows, but some among us would prefer to discuss reality rather than fantasy.

 

Because it motivates more homlessness. Same problem with the open borders. Open the borders and more will come.

 

"Neoliberalism" doesn't identify consistent ideas or policies, so what's the point is talking about it?

 

A lot of these people are out on the street because they trash everything they're given. Have you visited a gas station restroom in the areas frequented by the homeless? The mirrors are gone, the wall has been patched and repatched multiple times, the sink has been reattached to the wall over and over again... Wherever you put these folks, they're going to ruin it quickly. We could enforce supervision, but that gets even more expensive.

Everything costs money. We sent ours to Ukraine and Israel. We could've used it to address homelessness, but we didn't. So F*** the homeless- The People have spoken.

(disclaimer- I preferred we kept the money here to help Americans, including the homeless, so don't bitch to me about it)

My buddy in the next town over rented a place next to playground for his 4 kids to enjoy. But now its a homeless camp with needles everywhere. Last week I think it was, he was telling me about a guy he saw outside his front window taking a dump in the street. There's public bathrooms within walking distance btw. My friend's neighbor got a $5000 fine for spraying a homeless streetshitter with a garden hose. The streetshitter called the police to report that the owner of the home he was taking a public **** outside of had tried to make him stop by spraying him with water, and the police protected him and his streetshitting. For no other reason I can fathom, than to make sure he's allowed to continue doing it.

 

Just for the record all homeless are not the same. I knew a man since I was 16 years old who was homeless off and on until his death a couple of years ago ( mind you I met him in 1996 ).

To look at him you would not know that he was homeless. I kept in touch on and off with him all of those years. We spent many good days riding our bicycles to Tampa Bay to fish. Even took a few overnight bicycle camping trips to the Gulf.

He always kept an extremely low profile clean camp and you would almost stumble over it before you even saw it. He knew the importance of keeping a place clean. He camped off of an expressway in Tampa in a little undeveloped patch of Cypress swamp. He was there 5 years before the owner ever found him and the owner was fine with him being there because he did not leave any trash laying anywhere and you would be hard pressed to even spot the trail to his camp.

But unfortunately most of them do not see the benefit of keeping a clean camp which is why they continually get run out of every area they stay. And you can't blame the property owners because who wants to have five pickup truck loads of trash left to deal with when they finally move on wherever they're going? In that regards a lot of homeless are their own worst enemy

He died being ate up with cancer a few years ago but at least the last several years of his life his sister set him up in a camper in a rural town in Georgia.

 

tell people how easy it is to come, they will come

 

Especially when you stand up there on the stage and tell them to immediately surge the border and that they would all support free healthcare.

Do you think Democrats idiotic open border policy is some sort of military secret and that the rest of America is not supposed to say anything or point it out?

 

Common sense.

 

I think both parties are partly to blame

 

Self justifying nonsense. Why don’t you describe homeless people in any kind of positive way, they’re people after all?

 

No thanks. Some people like to live in their vehicles, even if they have full time employment making more than 70k/year. This would affect them.

Also, you should read up on LINK: O'Connor v. Donaldson - Wikipedia

I agree that most homeless people have various problems ranging from mental issues to drug issues and many other issues, in which help would be the better option, but having help, being able to be helped, and willing to be helped are often at odds with each other. Its well known for example that a drug addict cannot actually be helped unless they want the help. Otherwise its just wasted effort as they end up going back to the drugs asap.

 

Minimum wage in my state is 7.25.
We start new employees off (labor) at 14.00 because below that we get zero applicants

So let’s say I can pay someone 2/hr. Thats 80 bucks a week or 4,140 per year. The cheapest studio apartment I can find in my area is 675 for a place that looks unsafe to live in. Let’s say water and electricity together are $75

So just an apartment and utilities is 9k a year

Even if you double wages to 4 bucks/hr they still couldn’t afford the cheapest shitty apartment. If you move it 6/hr (12,480) that leaves them with only 290/mo to cover a vehicle/gas (public transit is nonexistent here) and food.

Not being able to pay them less money isn’t the issue

Mental illness is, substance abuse, lack of affordable housing, healthcare, childcare — those are the issues.

 

It is a long way between $7.25 and $14 an hour.

 

Correct. Very few people will work for minimum wage anymore and even fewer can actually live off it.

 

they have already been born, they don't count to some on the right and can be aborted

 

yes, sadly many would like to make retirement life illegal, such as van life, they want to force people to buy hotels to travel, making it illegal to sleep in ones car\van\truck camper, etc....

many cities have made it illegal for walmart to even let people park in their parking lot over night as they are traveling

 

Self justifying? How so?

When discussing a societal problem (in this case homelessness), why would it be incumbent upon me to describe them positively? Your assertion does not make a lick of sense. That would be like discussing how to eliminate graffiti and you insisting that we talk about graffiti artists' humanity. The truth is, their humanity is not relevant to that discussion. The only thing that is relevant is how to stop them from defacing public property. Whether or not they volunteer at a soup kitchen is NOT relevant to their vandalism.

It is 100% acceptable to set laws so that families and especially children are not having to be exposed to problems that go hand and hand with homelessness. Controlling where they reside is critical.

Stop being so overly emotional and open your eyes to undeniable reality. Emotion doesn't solve problems. Problem solving requires logic.

 

We have to make it where it can provide at least a minimum living wage. There is not much that can be done about food. However, more can be done to make housing affordable. In many areas, the zoning will not allow small inexpensive housing. A five hundred square foot living space is better than a fifty square foot tent or a twenty square foot cardboard box.

Some are homeless by choice. I will never understand that choice, but they would rather be homeless than make the effort to improve their situation.

 

Your "empathy" is misplaced. The empathy in this situation is properly applied to public safety, not those that are endangering that safety. It is in the best interest of the public to control where homeless people live. This mindset is inherently logical.

There is nothing empathetic about creating a dangerous, unhygienic situation for the public at large. The result of your mindset is what is occurring currently in San Francisco, Seattle etc.

Very few people would suggest that what is occurring in those places is a good thing for anyone involved, including the homeless. There is nothing there to legitimately argue. It is a public health nightmare.