The theory that Isaeli intelligence knew about the attacks beforehand

The first thing I thought was that they let it happen because they wanted a scenario the rest of the world would accept that would allow them to just go in and wipe out Hamas. This article alleges that they let it happen but for a different reason. Whatever the reason, I have a hard time believing they were really taken by surprise.

No, the Hamas Invasion Was Not an Israeli ‘Intelligence Failure’
https://www.globalresearch.ca/no-hamas-invasion-not-israeli-intelligence-failure/5835433
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One would have to be almost hopelessly naïve to buy the corporate state media line that the Hamas invasion yesterday morning was an Israeli “intelligence failure.”

Mossad is one of, if not the, most powerful intelligence agencies on the planet. It routinely shares intelligence, furthermore, with the “Five Eyes” intelligence services.

It has its tentacles deep inside of every ally and foe of import.

Its spies are littered across the Gaza Strip, which is an effective open-air prison into which goods do not flow but for the blessing of the Israeli state. The Gaza Strip is arguably the most heavily surveilled geographic area on Earth.

The Hamas invasion of Southern Israel yesterday was an operation involving tens of thousands of operatives, at least, across land, sea, and air, using all manner of equipment and weaponry – drones, thousands of rockets, countless firearms, and even bulldozers that were positioned to knock down Israeli fencing.
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Now, or at least this is the hope, Israelis will rally around the flag for some patriotic Palestinian ass-kicking and their Prime Minister’s imminently obvious corruption will be, at least temporarily, forgotten, if not forgiven.

Meanwhile, Israeli intelligence, rather than being punished for its “failure,” will use its “failure” as a pretext to garner more funding and more authorities for itself so as to prevent another such “failure.”

The Hamas invasion was only a “failure” if one believes the goal of Mossad is to protect Israeli civilians rather than accrue more power for itself.
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It's also good to understand why the Palestinians are angry. They're not crazy. Here's a link to some info on that.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nd-biden-says-nothing.614089/#post-1074467511

 

Let's see if Israel ends up with more territory when this is all over.

“Greater Israel”: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East
https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

https://www.bing.com/search?q=great...F248418299495AA2A5C346AF&ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=greater+Israel&FORM=HDRSC4

 

Here's another site which puts forth a few possible reasons for Israel's carrying out a false flag operation.

GAZA: 10/7 like 9/11, Was it a False Flag?
https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/10/09/gaza-10-7-like-9-11-was-it-a-false-flag/
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• to introduce the Police State and curfew in Israel
• to strengthen the Netanyahu government by transforming it into a dictatorship
• to sabotage the peace between Saudi Arabia and Iran
• to reverse Qatar’s politics, hospitable to terrorists/Palestinian patriots
• to justify possible new wars in the Middle East against Countries that are not friends of Israel, or more simply selective attacks against installations of such Countries.

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There's a lot of talk about this.

Do we all agree what’s happening in Israel is a false flag?
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy...ree_whats_happening_in_israel_is_a/?rdt=57664

 

Here's some more info on the theory.

Insider: Israel Attack Was 'False Flag' To Start 'Holy War' and Usher In 'One World Government'
https://rumble.com/v3oez3v-insider-...g-to-start-holy-war-and-usher-in-one-wor.html

 

It's common practice to use false flags and false information to promote a war.

WW1 - Civilian ship carrying weapons/ammo.
WW2 - Embargo + Lend lease
Vietnam - Gulf of Tonkin
Cuba - Almost used the Bay of Pigs scenario of a false flag attack
Iraq (Desert Storm) - Iraqi soldiers killing babies
Yugoslavia - Serbia is ethnically cleansing people using the fake propped barbed wire pictures
Iraq 2.0 - WMDs
Libya - Gaddfhi giving his men viagra to rape women
Syria - Assad gassed his own people
Israel - 40 behead babies justifies 2.2 million displaced/killed Palestinians

 

Its far from reasonable to believe that Israel used something from the pallywood playbook.

 

Well, the guy who wrote the article is a 9/11 truther, so that immediately means that he has ZERO credibility as a conspiracy theorist.

There is, of course, one aspect to this theory: Gaza is surrounded by a 20 ft wall and security perimeter, that is heavily guarded:



One wonders how so many Hamas fighters were able to cross this barrier, all at the same time and heavily armed, without detection. Let alone the 1000s of rockets that have been fired, that Mossad was unaware of?

In the meantime, Netanyahu is assembling a unity government with himself at the helm. Nothing unifies more than a war.

Of course, these are all conspiracy theories, it will be interesting to find out more about this in the future, and whether Bibi will come out of this as a national hero, who leads the fight against Hama, or an abject failure, failing to prevent these foreseeable terror acts. Time will tell....

One other theory, of course, could be that walls just don't work to keep the undesirables out.

 

The paragliders went under the radar. Pretty simple, no?

 

I beg to differ. Come over to this section and we can talk about it.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...orted-9-11-terrorists.456423/#post-1066183060

 

Perhaps you can have this thread moved to the conspiracy theory section. It is far from credible.

 

Here's another video.

WWIII: ISRAEL HAMAS FALSE FLAG ATTACK? (FREUDIAN SLIP) - MAKE IT VIRAL!
https://odysee.com/@SkyDomeAtlantis:4/trim.4F3DADE0-CAB0-466E-AA10-A38FEB6327B8:d


I'm not taking all this as fact. I just think everything should be put on the table as there is some suspicious stuff in the official story. If a theory is wrong, it will fall by its own lack of merit.

 

This is a good video. The two speakers are very informed and articulate.

Mike Adams - Israel & Hamas: What the HECK is Wrong With Our People?
https://www.brighteon.com/c32b8868-9d98-4c67-87c0-4daeafb8fcb1

 

This would be the section (this ridiculous thread belongs there) where you refuse to entertain one single solitary counter argument no matter what. Where every single source that ISN'T from some crank, misinformed website, some daft random video - basically from "the alternate media" ( a big money making operation!), automatically is labelled "mainstream" and therefore by illogical, unscientific, non-objective and biased criteria is completely dismissed!

 

I think there is a very good chance Israel knew. Egypt says they warned Israel. Netanyahu was in domestic political trouble regarding the judiciary, and has long been a hawk, and abandoned considering a two state solution years ago.

We don't have much evidence yet, but I would not be the slightest bit surprised if Netanyahu is complicit here.

 

On the one hand, I find it plausible BiBi would allow the slaughter of innocent Israelis to retain power. On the other, I don't know how he could have got all the folks needed to pull it off to be complicit in the slaughter.

 

Yes. I agree. I think it very unlikely that he organized it. I think it far more likely that he knew of it and deliberately failed to stop it, and possibly gave indications that be wouldn't. I would still call the latter complicit.

 

If waging the dog was BiBi's plan it has failed miserably.

Poll Shows Catastrophic Drop Off in Support for Netanyahu
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/poll-shows-catastrophic-drop-off-in-support-for-netanyahu

 

Whether they knew about it or not doesn't matter in the slightest. Hamas shouldn't have attacked in the first place. Now Palestinians will pay for the actions of Hamas, as if they care....

 

That's a separate issue. Whether they knew about it does matter, because it also means there is a traitor involved on Israel's side or that the Israeli intelligence is nowhere near as good as the Israeli people (and world) had been led to believe.

If this wasn't complicit, it was a massive intelligence failure. Either way, that does matter.

 

Let's say that Mossad and the IDF knew what was going to happen, but did nothing to stop it. It's the same as when the police set up a bait car, allow a thief to steal it, then swarm in on the car and arrest them. Moral of the story? You shouldn't have tried to steal the car in the first place....

 

If police operated in such a way to end the lives of innocent civilians.... that would be a pretty big deal.

 

If Mossad and the IDF knew about it in advance and let it happen anyway, I'm sure it was a calculated risk and there was some strategy involved. They know that Hamas is in Gaza, hiding among the civilian population as cowards tend to do. Well, they can't just indiscriminately bomb Gaza and endanger civilian lives just because Hamas exists in Gaza. No, they give Hamas the opportunity to "find" a weak spot in Israeli defenses, allow them to kill a few civilians, and now they have all the reason they need to turn the entirety of Gaza into a parking lot, civilians and all. The moral of the story is, once again, that Hamas shouldn't have attacked in the first place. Now ALL of Gaza will suffer for it, but terrorists don't think that far ahead.....

 

A pair of classified C.I.A. intelligence reports issued in the days ahead of a major Hamas attack on Israel warned about a potential escalation in violence but did not predict the complex, multipronged attack that Hamas gunmen launched against Israel days later, according to U.S. officials.

The first of the intelligence reports, dated Sept. 28, described the possibility that Hamas would launch rockets into Israel over a period of several days. The second report, dated Oct. 5, built on the first but was more analytical.

The Oct. 5 report appeared in a daily C.I.A. summary of intelligence that is distributed widely to policymakers and lawmakers, the officials said. But intelligence officials did not brief either of the reports to President Biden or senior White House officials. Nor did the C.I.A. highlight the reports to White House policymakers as being of particular significance, officials said.

Several U.S. officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter, described the reports as routine, and similar to other intelligence reports about the possibility of Palestinian violence that were written throughout the year.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/us/politics/cia-reports-gaza-hamas-israel.html

 

Do they? They have more reason now than they did before? They would still be indiscriminately killing innocent civilians. Less than half of adult Gazans elected Hamas, and a huge number of Gazans are children.

 

I am not into conspiracy theories, but it would not surprise me at all if Mossad allowed this to happen to justify killing lots of palestinians and taking territory. Makes complete sense, but there are alternative explanations as well. I'd want actual proof, but in the end who benefits from this? Israel. A trivial amount of Israeli deaths from a strategic perspective vs having the green light to use their weapons to dismantle Hamas.