The towers collapsed rather slowly, really.

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  1. leftysergeant

    leftysergeant New Member

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    Watch this collection of videos of verinage. Notice that the technique involves weakeneing only two floors. Not that the top falls at almost the speed of gravity-driven acceleration. The top even falls faster than the dust plumes.

    [video=youtube;NwFHEoiUZ7o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwFHEoiUZ7o[/video]
     
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    Maybe in comparison to other buildings, but they still fell incredibly fast. When they started, they frickin started and went quick.
     
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    As in verinage, the upper core columns broke suddenly under the stress. That is the only way they coud have broken, given the amount of weight on top of them.

    Compared to the collapse rate evident in the verinage demolitions the towers fell more slowly. The top block of the buildings taken down by verinage accelerate past the top of the dust plumes. This was not the case in the towers.

    Also not the in verinage, in the taller buildings, outer walls are expelled beyond the footprints of the buildings. This is totally the result of the pressures exerted in all directions by the falling debris inside the footprint.

    This is, obviously, also what drove those massive segments of the external walls of the towers such a distance from the foot print. It had nothing to do with explosives.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is it the truther position that it was impossible for the buildings to have collapsed?

    If it is possible for the buildings to have collapsed, how did the actual collapse diverge from the truther's ideal model of the collapse?

    In short, what should have happened but didn't?
     
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    Some take that absurd position. Others say that the collapse should have arrested part-way down. All seem to believe that the towers collapsed too fast, some allege that it was at the speed of gravity. That in those pictures of the towers in collapse that show anything under the dust plume, it is clear that the wave of destruction is not keeping pace with the free-falling debvris from above.

    In the clips of verinage demolitions, the lower edge of the dust plume and the destroyed outer walls are nearly keeping the same pace.

    Their contention is that the towers could not have collapsed that fast unless underlying structures were removed in advance of the falling debris.

    That verinage works so quickly shows that this is just plain stupid.

    Realisticly, nothing. In twooferverse, the tops merely fell off the towers.
     
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    Or they fall over like trees.
     
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    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    funny,nobody here has ever said they collapsed slowly.12 seconds is HARDLY slowly.hee hee.its free fall speed which is impossible due to fires.hee hee.fires dont cause towers to fall at free fall speed like those towers fell.hee hee.
     
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    Where is this source from?

    I don't find it credible!
     
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    Hore feathers. The towers fell more slowly than the average building demolished by verinage. You failed again.

    Steel buildings do collapse from fire if the fire is not extinguished in time. Kadar Toy Factory and McCormick Place.
     
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    Are you going to defend your source?
     
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    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    its a miserable fail as always by him disproving that explosives did not bring the towers down anyways.
     
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    I really do hate when people claim they know what happened on 9-11.

    I know enough, to know I know nothing.
     
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    Verinage is onl;y relevant in the it shows that the top part of a building can crush the lower, in spite of what a drooling lunatic like little Dickie Gage may claim. The only difference in the towers was that that top part could not crush the upright core columns. Now that it is established that the upper part of a building can crush the lower, you would have to prove the existance of explosive charges to have a case, but can no longer argue from the consequence.
     
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    It is just one of many unrefuted videos from all over YouTube. Te company that does it is called Ferrari something or other. You see their logo on their equipment in some of the videos. It's a French company, so i am having trouble finding information I can read.

    At any rate, the procedure does exist. If you think something looks hinky, please explain why.
     
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    pimptight Banned

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    Your rules.

    If it isn't owned by the 6 coproations that control the American media, it is garbage.

    Not my rules, not my problem!
     
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    You haven't proven they WERE brought down by explosives...



    Fail.

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    You haven't proven they WERE brought down by explosives...



    Fail.
     
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    You certainly haven't proven they WEREN'T brought down by explosives. We can play this game all day long.
     
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    We have a known and observed cause. You have a theory that some whacktard pulled out of his underwear. There being no sign of explosives or thermite damage, the burden of proof is on you.

    No, you do not have thermite chips. They contain kaolin. No useable thermite contains kaolin. Just about all paint used in buildings does. The burden, again is on you if you claim that there is a useable thermite with kaolin.

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    No, that is not my rule. Itis your strawman.

    Jones and his crew cannot be their own witnesses to their own veracity.
     
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    I have the research of countless intelligent and educated individuals, military personnel, physicists, scientists, structural engineers, architects, FIREMEN, police, and eyewitness accounts as to what occurred that day to draw my conclusions from (in addition to my own eyes). You have "official" rhetoric, an obstructed, highly edited "report", and teams of shills.

    One one chooses to believe contains lots of variables, including agendas, objectivity, and common sense. For some it's a job..for some it's something else.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    countless?....hardly,and you don't have nearly the experts you think you have..
     
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    Speculative and subject to opinion.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Hardly...many of your 'experts' show they are out of their depth..
     
  23. leftysergeant

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    You have a couple of fire fighters in Seattle who were not there.

    The statements of a couple of fire fighters have been used by idiots like Griffin and MacQueen and given meanings that are obviously not supportable by any subsequent actions or statements of those fire fighters.

    The only one who thinks there was a bomb in the lobby has obvious neurological problems and was later dismissed from FDNY for cocaine use.
     
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    Then there was Rodriguez who heard bombs going off underneath him (prior to any plane impacts).
     
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    No, that blithering idiot di not hear the plane impact. Seconds after it, he heard the fuel which the crash shot down the freight elevator deflagrate violently when it got a shot of fresh air in the basement. The second blast which Willie describes was also decribed by Schroeder, who arrived some seconds later, but MINUTES after the impact. It blew out the express elevator doors in the lobby and set people on fire.

    This is NOT the result of an HE explosion, but of deflagration of a Class B fuel such as kerosene. HE does not set people afire. Itt strips their flesh from their bones and makes a meat smoothie of it. The explosions were classic back drafts. This is Fire Science 101 stuff.
     

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