The two faces of Dr. Fauci

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  1. Starcastle

    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    Robert Redfield was the director of the CDC. He said the Covid virus came from a lab in Wuhan China.



    Dr. Rochelle Walensky has been the spokesperson for the CDC before congress said that it is a viable, possible source of the virus.

    We can dispense with the moronic bullcrap that this is an opinion held only by fringe Trump supporters and it is not a conspiracy theory. No natural source of this virus has been proven!

    Despite attempts to call her a liar and a kook nobody has come close to proving anything Dr. Li Meng Yan has said. Yan believes the virus was bioengineered in a Wuhan lab and released on purpose by the Chinese military. The lab in Wuhan is owned and operated by the Chinese communist government!

    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/05/22/chinese-virologist-claims-she-has-proof-coronavirus-is-not-from-nature-1077752/

    So stop with the lies that this is just some conspiracy theory. This is real. Dr. Yan worked in that lab!
     
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    Could some of you people who are offended by the possibility that the virus came from a lab in Wuhan explain why? What are you afraid of? A Biden connection? A democrat party connection?

    Seriously do you hate America that much? Why not move to China then. China is a country not a race. This virus came from China that is not a matter of dispute.
     
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    He is about as honest with us as professional pitcher is with a batter.
     
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    Why is there a marriage between those defending China and the very great, very real possibility the virus came from the Wuhan lab and Joe Biden loving democrats? Explain that connection.

    You people honestly believe Covid may have been bioengineered and released on purpose to help Joe Biden get elected. What else explains this?
     
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    3 Wuhan researchers fell ill from covid-19 before the pandemic! That is a US intelligence report! Researchers from that lab fell ill in November 2019. Notice how the MSM that was so against this idea have warmed to it since Biden got elected.

    So stop the idiot lies that this is some Qanon conspiracy only for fringe people. Stop those lies!

    https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-new...an-lab-fell-ill-in-november-2019-113105477817

    Why are we not commissioning a 9/11 type investigation in this so we can prevent it from happening again? Why are democrats against this? Complicit? Give me another reason. Our country, our people and our economy was attacked by a virus. Should we not know where it came from and how it originated?
     
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    Actually, our country was attacked by domestic enemies of the US Constitution, rogue elements within the federal government.

    The virus was unleashed by those rogue elements, and it was planned years in advance. How else could Fauci predict it in his warning to Trump in 2017?

    As for "US intelligence reports", I stopped trusting them way back at Gulf of Tonkin. The Pentagon Papers showed US intelligence reports to be highly inaccurate and misleading, if not downright deceptive.

    As the Downing Street Memo showed in 2003, the US propaganda machine fixes intelligence to achieve various agendae.
     
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    What is found by science has nothing to do with politics. All politicians can do is squelch or support the science.

    Yes, more gets learned. Yes, as Biden, WHO, Dr. Fauci and others point out, more has to be learned about how this pandemic came about. We are not even SLIGHTLY done with the investigation.

    Trump is ABSOLUTELY irrelevant to that process. He did not help in ANY way at all. Others didn't either, and they are also irrelevant.

    Dr. Fauci told us the best truth that was known at the time. The fact that the best that was known changed is exactly what happens when people are open to progress, to increase knowledge. We learn more. The progress of the disease changes. What is best for the USA to do in defense changes.

    Blaming Dr. Fauci for that could not be more IGNORANT.

    The current or future levels of investigation do NOT support Trump or any other politician, in that those politicians did not have the information necessary to have a final answer. At best, they made guesses without the information to back up those guesses.

    Politicians need to be graded on their decision making. If you want to laud Trump, Biden, or some other politician you need to point to some decision they made that solved a problem that America faces.
     
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    This does not even make ANY sense AT ALL. There is not ONE SHRED of evidence that this pandemic was an attack by some human organization.
     
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    Biden has stated that we have to investigate this pandemic. We need to identify the origin in order to be effective in responding to the next pandemic - which is sure to come, by the way.

    Democrats have NEVER been against this.
     
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    We don't know it was Covid. They may have been sick from something else.

    Big difference!

    Not big on logic I see.
     
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    Bezos spent 4.5 Billion dollars buying MGM. He is accumulating the media and no doubt will use it.
     
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    So far, investigations have considered the "lab escape" thoery to be lower probability that other possibilities.

    But, nobody has ruled that out.

    It is certainly exceedingly likely that this virus came from China. The chance that it arrived in that market through cold chain deliveries from some other part of the world isn't absolutely impossible, but it's rated as super low probability.

    Simply finding that it came from China is NOT a satisfactory conclusion. The entire world, including China, needs to know more than that.

    We can't defend ourselves from the next SARS pandemic simply by knowing that this one came from China.

    And, we need to remember that the experts in bat and pangolin carried SARS varients are the scientists at the Wuhan lab - a lab we need to have working, as it is not replaceable by scientists in some other part of the world.
     
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    where is your proof that it escaped a lab and do you not understand how vaccines are created in labs?
     
  14. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Biden fought like hell to prevent China from being blamed.
    I see nothing he has done to cause China to accept it's blame.

    We know the origin. We knew last year Chinese scientists blamed the Wuhan top secret lab.
     
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    What is the Chinese official statements on their lab? Why do Democrats trust the Chinese?
     
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    Why can't you understand the argument?
     
  17. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I understand the alleged argument.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is your motive to defend China?
     
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    "Blaming China" is not even slightly good enough.

    We can "blame" them for not being more forthcoming with information. We do need the information, but dumping hate on China isn't going to help in any way.

    More importantly, "blaming China" because that's where COVID came from is just absolute ignorance and stupidity.

    Trump's "hate China" direction made progress toward understanding this problem harder. AND, it resulted in white supremacist types assaulting Americans of Asian extraction.
     
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    The general "blame" direction has been counterproductive and far too abstract.

    Blaming China for COVID having come from there is just plain stupid - unless you can point to China having been fully capable of preventing that AND then choosing not to do so. And, there is NOTHING to suggest that.
     
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    There have been reports that China intended to weaponize this new virus.

    We will never get to the truth until we hear more from the Chinese scientist from that lab that has stated China weaponized the virus.
     
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    Mexicans and blacks assaulted Asians living in America.
     
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    ??? Nobody is "trusting the Chinese".

    What "official statement" are you looking for?

    I agree that WHO was prevented from independently interviewing Wuhan scientists. That's a problem.

    But, cutting off the investigation at saying "China is to blame" is not acceptable. The world actually needs to know how this came about. We, WHO, and everyone else needs to continue working out how this pandemic started. And, assuming that China knows is preposterous.
     
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    Our DoD folks working on this kind of thing don't support this theory.

    I agree that China's refusal to let WHO interview Wuhan scientists is a serious problem.
     
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    LOL - whatever your own racial politics might be, and I'm not charging you with anything, but that certainly is the optimal white supremacist retort.
     

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