The U.S. Already Soaks the Rich In 2021 the richest 1% paid 45.8% of income taxes, up from..

no I mean the productive as opposed to the untalented, the lazy and those who make poor life choices and then blame their failures on others

 

I guess that must be why you cannot refute a single sentence I wrote.

By being willing to know facts. Try it some time. Why can't I build a house or grow some food for myself, as my remote ancestors did to survive for millions of years? Oh, wait a minute, that's right: now I have to pay a landowner full market value just for permission. Why can't I use the knowledge I have acquired to make and sell a product people want, as my somewhat less remote ancestors were at liberty to do? Oh, wait a minute, that's right: now I have to pay IP monopolists full market value just for their permission.

GET IT??

And all the time, you were paying landowners full market value just for their permission to access those opportunities, and you didn't -- and still don't -- even know it.

But I do know it.

I said no such thing. You simply made it up. It doesn't matter how many jobs are available, you still have to pay a landowner full market value for permission to hold any of them -- and your employer also has to pay a landowner just for permission to hire you!

I said no such thing. You simply made it up because you have no facts or logic to offer.

Try responding to something I actually wrote for a change.

 

I don't see your class envy based arguments getting much traction. I love the crap that a performer like Jimmy Page didn't really earn his wealth. That's gotta be one of the most idiotic claims I have ever seen on this board and that takes some effort to make that list

 

No you don't, because unlike untalented and lazy landowners, banksters, and IP monopolists who make poor life choices but get rich anyway, the productive are not reliant on being legally entitled to steal.

 

IMO. the RP/DP would improve their polling numbers quickly if they focused more on soaking the Super Rich and treating the merely rich like the rest of the productive middle class.

 

but the super rich-the 750 or so billionaires are mainly democrats

many of the dot com billionaires support a high estate tax since that frees up valuable and rare assets that are in old money hands. same with old estates in prime areas. it makes that real estate more likely to be sold where guys like Buffett and Bezos, Soros and Bloomberg can gobble it up

 

your silly insults of people who are more prosperous and productive than you are continues to prove that motivates your "economic argument" it's patently obvious class envy.

 

That's just another fabrication on your part. I already explained why accusing those who oppose injustice of envy for those who profit from it is deeply evil.

More accurately, you don't like the fact that you can't refute any of them.

Why has he earned exactly the amount he has, and not 1% of it or 100 times as much? Why should he have so much more than people who produce food or housing, or perform scientific research or life-saving surgery??

Speaking of idiotic claims, you haven't explained why having a government-issued and -enforced monopoly means you have earned the resulting high price for your product, while not having one means you haven't. Centuries ago, the privileged got rich by having royal patent monopolies on commodities like pepper and cinnamon, or a patent privilege of charging tolls on a natural waterway or a road the Romans had built 1000 years before. Did those people also earn their wealth? If not, how is Page's monopoly different?

 

Rational survival instincts.
An intelligent RP would morph itself into a bigger threat to the Billionaire Club, but that assumes that the RP has any survival instincts.

 

The fact that greedy, privileged thieves are more prosperous than I am does not mean they are more productive, and I will thank you to remember it.

Please explain how a landowner is producing anything by charging others full market value for what government, the community and nature provide.

I'm waiting.

You have yet to offer any sort of economic argument other than pleading your own narrow financial interests.

What's patently obvious is that you have no facts or logic to offer in support of your false and evil beliefs, so you have no choice but to constantly resort to your false, despicable, and evil personal accusations of envy.

Disgraceful.

 

No, you made that up. It is a flat-out fabrication on your part.

Those who fail despite being privileged, like worthless heirs who end up drunk and broke, are still victimizers, and those who succeed despite lack of privilege are still victims. Everyone who is forced to carry the parasites on their backs is a victim, whether they win the race or come in last or can't even make it to the finish line.

No, I have said no such thing and you know it. It is just a bald fabrication on your part, a personal insult to deflect attention from the facts I identify. Inevitably.

 

Fine. Why do they need a monopoly that stops others from making and selling derivative works that are sometimes superior to the originals?

Fine. What gives them a right to stop others from making their own copies and selling them?

No, that is a fabrication on your part. Musicians, artists, authors, etc. made a living just fine without monopoly privileges. Bach, Michelangelo, Shakespeare, etc. never owned a copyright.

No, that is an absurd fabrication on your part. Making an additional copy of something does not steal it from the owner of the original. What has the owner lost?

Then you don't understand what you are talking about. If I take a painting from an artist, he doesn't have the painting any more. If I make a copy of the painting, he hasn't lost anything, and wouldn't even know.

GET IT??

 

So those more prosperous than you are "greedy privileged thieves", so you want the government to commit similar acts of thievery on your behalf. I'm guessing this makes you a "greedy lazy thief"? Based on the fact anyone more prosperous than you at least "steals" (according to you) for themselves, whereas you aren't self-motivated enough to even do your own thievery, I would conclude they are DEFINITELY more productive. I will remember that.

The rest is blather. Violation of property rights. You should be ashamed, but like all thieves they have a way of rationalizing and convincing themselves their theft is justified. It helps them sleep at night. You sound tired.

 

I.e., those are the plans that would maximize the subsidies to the privileged at the expense of honest working people.

What you advocate and desire is pure, naked, smirking, Satanic evil.

Greed (unfortunately mistranslated as, "love of money") is indeed the root of all manner of evil, and your uniformly uninformative and personally insulting "contributions" to this thread confirm it, in spades.

 

OH THE DRAMA. the only greed I see comes from those who want the government to take wealth from others. Class envy is an amusing affliction.

 

again, all that hate towards people who are more prosperous than you are. Mad at those whose parents worked hard to make a better life for their children. The real parasites are those who want the government to take from others

 

all you offer are opinions that are filled with hate towards people better off than you are. I love that level of hate. it shows what the left really believes

 

No, I said no such thing. You simply made it up. Those who hold privileges are greedy, privileged thieves, whether they are more or less prosperous than me.

I know it's hard for you, but try not to just make $#!+ up about what I have plainly written in clear, simple, grammatical English.

No, you also made that up. I want government to either abolish privileges or tax back their value instead of forcing honest working people (yes, like me) to subsidize the privileged.

No. You made that up.

No, you made that up and falsely attributed it to me because you have no facts or logic to offer.

That's an odd sort of ad hominem insult. I guess you can't even imagine what it would be like to have a functioning conscience, and choose honest production over legalized stealing. How sad.

They are more productive because they are "motivated" enough to take advantage of opportunities to steal with government's help?

Run that one by me again...

Oh, really? So far, you haven't done very well remembering or quoting what I actually wrote.

Which you are somehow unable to refute.

That is EXACTLY what slave owners said to the abolitionists.

Any "argument" that would have justified chattel slavery is already known in advance to be fallacious, disingenuous and evil, with no further argumentation needed.

I'm not the one trying to justify massive, systematic, institutionalized, and wholly gratuitous injustice. You are.

Right back atcha.

I am wearied beyond the rich resources of the English language to express of the relentless dishonesty of apologists for greed, privilege and injustice.

 

Again, the same baldly false claims about what I have plainly written.

Why do you prefer injustice to justice, evil over good?

That bears no resemblance to anything I wrote. You have yet to offer anything but bald falsehoods about what I have plainly written.

That would be the privileged, like landowners, IP monopolists, banksters, etc.

 

It steals the owner's product. I'm not going to argue with you on whether or not copyrights are moral or not. Have a good day.

 

No, that is just the same bald falsehood that has been your exclusive "contribution" in this thread to date. It does not resemble anything I have written. It is a pure fabrication on your part.

Hatred is the appropriate emotion towards injustice and evil.

Why do you love privilege, injustice, and evil and hate liberty, justice, and good?

Why do you hate the good for being the good? Is it because you envy the virtuous because you know you are the opposite, and can never be one of the good guys?

Opposing injustice and evil is not the exclusive province of the left.

 

you just make up things about the wealthy and condemn them based on the fiction you created in order to justify government parasitic activity towards them. Your accusations of the wealthy is not based on any valid facts. Claiming the wealthy engage in injustice and is evil is the sort of thinking that brought us the reign of terror in France and the Maoist persecutions of the educated and Pol Pot's killing fields.

 

No it doesn't, that is just a bald falsehood from you. The owner still has his product. Your claim is just objectively false as a matter of indisputable physical fact. You will find that happening a lot, as long as you presume to dispute with me.

Because you know you can't. Good choice.

 

He definitely swallowed the blue pill. Just throws out blanket accusations anyone who has worked to earn more wealth than he has obtained their wealth through privilege and thievery. No basis for it. Just his opinion. When pressed he blankets with more opinion. Putting aside his accusations are baseless, how is it he can't take advantage of these supposed government privileges? Is he somehow underprivileged by the government? Just utter nonsense. Inane blather.

This is why even though my parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces, nephews, and about 20 of their friends (who have been lifelong Democrat voters) all made sure our registration to vote was up to date and will be switching our votes to Republican in November. Democrats aren't leaving the party, the party left us.

 

That is a bald falsehood. I have identified the relevant facts, and carefully distinguished the wealthy from the privileged. You, by contrast, have done nothing but engage in disingenuous and despicable ad hominem insults to rationalize privilege and justify injustice.

I have identified the relevant indisputable facts of objective physical reality.

It is government that legally enables the privileged to engage in parasitic activity, and I will thank you to remember it.

That is just another bald falsehood from you. I have identified the relevant facts, and you have not been able to refute a single one of them, nor will you ever be doing so.

You think those things happened for no reason, that the people had no legitimate grievances?? You think the barbarities were not motivated by a desire to avenge centuries of equally atrocious wrongs committed by rich, greedy, privileged parasites?

Try poking your head out of your shell for once, TD. You might find you can see something of the world for a change.