The US needs to re-instate the draft .

What we have seen in recent days of a US soldier that has snapped and lost his mind is evidence for what I have said for years ...

The US citizens can no longer ignore the dangers of throwing our soldiers in harms way for 5 or 6 tours in combat and expect these soldiers to be sane ..

the suicide rate is sky-high , one , maybe two tours is enough . I've said that for years ... all I've ever heard is they volunterred , but they didn't volunteer to be dropped into a meat grinder for 10 years ...

If a WAR needs to be fought , then the Draft should be re-instated , and all Americans should be subject to any War that is sanctioned by Congress .. or by the President ..

to do otherwise is an insult to our brave soldiers that die daily all over the world , and is an insult to me as a soldier and patriot .

I've been chastised vehemently for taking that stand , and I will reply as I always have , if the wealthy and priveledged had to send their own sons into harms way , we wouldn't be in the wars we're in now , but I guess if it's someone elses son or daughter that dies , it's ok , they volunteered .. good enough for 'em , and as Rush Limbaugh said ," they couldn't get a job anywhere else anyway "

and that's why when Rush Limbaugh dies , I hope to hear the glad news first thing in the morning , so I can whistle and dance all day . and brother , I mean that with every fiber of my being , and I make no apology to anyone for it .

My fellow soldiers in harms way deserve to be respected and revered , but to throw our soldiers in harms way for over 2 tours of duty / combat is WRONG AND COWARDLY ,, if a WAR needs to be fought , as old as I am , I'll go myself if it'd spare a fellow soldiers sanity and bring them back home to their Familys .

people that have never been in combat don't understand that , how could they ?

I'll say this : if it was the politicians sons or daughters that was dying , we'd not be in the Wars we're in now , I say if a War needs to be fought , then bring the DRAFT BACK , and we'll ALL share equally in the conflict ...

 

Ted Kennedy joined the Army .... he was a Kennedy, so he was safe....

ALL the politicians kids IF they were to be drafted would be given a desk job, state side...

Power and money talks and takes care of it's own........

 

And the riots in the streets would make the 1960s look like kindergarten. Something we may be headed towards anyway.

This country has redefined defense to mean offense, and it does so for no other reason than oil, and the securitization of that oil. After all, our little princesses need $400 shoes every month, and our little princes need new XBox 360 appendages every month.

In other words "the American way of life is not negotiable" as one fascist once said on national television.

 

I refuse to risk my life to slaughter brown people for defense contractors and global bankers. (*)(*)(*)(*) off.

 

"it ain't ,it ain't me i am no senators son "

'i ain't no fortunate one"

yes if the USA is to continue with its adventurous ,nondefined ,criminal illegal ,miltary activities it indeed needs conscription .chances of getting the War weary population of the USA to accept it ,not this side of revolution .

you are absolutely correct this is war on the merry go around ,the workers are the ones dying ,whist their people are cryin'.

How many war fronts is to many for a reservist army ,the social problems for vets as usual is sweeped under the carpet as they are just used up cannon fodder.the soldier that cracked under diabolical pressure and PTSD,is a Victim of this Insane war without goal and no end.

Bush has real problems with thinking things through ,no exit strategy means more dead soldiers and civilians.

and Obama now in direct talks with who ,oh yes the TALIBAN ,did they lay down their lives only to see the Taliban returned with full US government sanction ,what horrors are being prepared for the long suffering people of Afghanistan.

Facing the Taliban \Karzai if he lives government after 10years of privation and devastation ,its to horrendous to think about .

the War is over and the soldiers know it ,not everyday a NCO goes crackers .

hope it dosen't reflect the general trend ,but as you say of course it does.instead of conscription how about withdrawal of the troops ,out of a Nation of millions who want them Dead.its now gone beyond a fight against the Taliban its now directly against a national population thats wants them dead.

do you reckon the training of the Afghan National Army is a good idea .seems to me the Afghan army may not like the people training them and that is now getting more .

they didn't catch the afghani soldier that shot 3 Australian s dead on a parade ground.Where is a US soldier actually safe ?

Answer ,on a plane going home.

 

This event shines a spotlight on the american armed forces indeed, however what it is revealing is very disturbing.

Now if an american soldier as some believe on this forum, can "snap" through frustration, too many tours and mental breakdown. it then asks the question. Why wasn't the american command structure away of the problem.

This was a man who coldly, killed 9 children and several women. His so called nervous breakdown didn't cripple his actions but seemed to motivate him to go even further. To burning their bodies and even turning himself in after the event.

He commited such vile acts of brutality it draws into question the entire american military. Because these questions will be asked by the afghans. Why are americans like this man sent to their country. What is going to be done about it and ultimatly what is the american position regarding americans murdering afghani people.

 

Its time for the revolutionary traditions of the American people to rise.the enemy of the people sit in the halls of power again the right to ber arms may well be handy sooner then later .

Being a founding revolutionary Father of a new democratic society is a nobel profession .

Its time they are leading a once proud revolutionary democratic Nation down the crap hole of Imperialist Adventures,next cab off the rank Iran ,yeah right and who is actually going to fight ,as Our friend hillbilly correctly points out ,the reservist roops are breaking under 5 or 6 tours of combat .

They are soldiers not supermen.

Same thing happens on factory floors everyday of the week,as the Capitialist demands profit the middle class management demands more and more ,longer and longer hours for less and less money and total exhaustion .

see the middle class dosen't give a crap about anything but their own careers,the equivalent in the army the people with things on their shoulders called the officer class.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/mar2012/pers-m13.shtml

 

Mmmmm...what I read was a number of drunk American soldiers decided to commit genocide....killing a number of children(6) and their mothers and fathers...then attempting to hide the crime by burning the bodies!

So no change there then!

Just more of the same!

Have a hearty breakfast...your degerates are feasting on the dead with the protection of those same degenerates!

Patriotic.....I think not!

As for a draft.....what idiot would want there son or daughter to be used as target practice for benefit of degenerates politicians who are bought and sold by AIPAC extremists!

So much for your patriotic fervour!

Its called butchery!

Highlander

 

I agree, but it should go further.
Everyone should be required to give two years to national service, whether it be wartime or not.
There is a lot of work to be done that could be done by the draftees.
In return, they should be schooled in the arts of self-defense and wilderness survival and basic first aid, as well as how to safely handle weapons, physical fitness and taught a trade that was useful.
Their pay would be minimal- room and board and a stipend- but they should then be given free college tuition for a degree of their choice and medical coverage for life.
A volunteer military attracts too many wrong people for the wrong reasons, which is why we are seeing the sort of problems that we do, It becomes an inbred clan rather than a diverse representation of society.
It would help build character in many young people who have had poor or careless parenting and who have grown up thinking only about their pleasure and selfish, mindless pursuits.
Shared sacrifice helps make the society strong.

 

You have no right to force anyone into military service. None. You have no right to subject me or anyone else to physical harm, possibly death, mental and emotion harm, and brainwashing. I am my own person, my life is in my hands, and is none of your business.

You want to fight for defense contractors and global bankers? Go for it. Leave everyone out of it.

 

Why is the 'draft' even being considored?

When the american soldiers now, who should be professionals, are commiting vile acts of brutality. They are displaying none of the virtues that some on this forum expect from them.

And it seems to be getting worse, these events are becoming more common. Now if a so called professional military breaks down. To then throwing in raw recruits who don't want to be there, won't fix the problem.

 

Bloody hell....bring out the violins and angels!

Mmmmmm....they would not need education if that was a god given right!

Cheap labour! And fodder!

Build character......the ability to butcher women and children!

Shared scarifice....where is the share of anything in America...the rich are rich and the poor sacrafice themselves in organised poverty (By the rich) because of the lack of any education!

Shared...that is pure dogma taken from Fox news and the like!

ID 10 t's!

Regards
Highlander

 

Which totally wouldn't happen with soldiers who didn't want to be there, right?

 

Are you serious ,National service crickey imagine poorly trained poorly paid forced national service .

Pie in the sky stuff that ,how about the US Government stops trying to be the policeman of the world ,with half baked military disasters ,What do you suggest they pay with for your great plan ?

Newsflash the US Treasury is empty ,but what is even emptier is any respect foe the political Institutions of the US.

Put your hand up all those that would die for the President ?

come on someone put up their hands ,whats wrong with you hillary Clinton ,Pelosi no hand ,anyone ,come on we are talking about your President ,gee what chance dying for flip flop Romney,Newt ,Ron Or RIcky.

Come on . who has their hand up ,the first lady well thats one vote verses 300 000 000 million NO's.

who trusts the US Government ?

anyone ?

 

these soldiers have smelled way too much gunpowder , it changes a person . to live with a gun always at the ready for one tour of duty is enough , 2 maybe , but 5 , 6 , 7 tours of combat duty . no one could go through that much Hell and not be changed .

our soldiers come back to parades & praise , and they deserve it ,,, but after the parades are over , and they try to live a normal life , but find they can't .

 

yes , it'll come to that , but if thats what it takes , thats what it takes .

and that's my prayer for all soldiers , to go home to their Families , I just hope when they go home they can adjust .

 

I refuse to fight in ANY war for ANY country unless I felt my life was directly jeopardized. If I was called to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan I would do everything in my power to avoid it. Including crippling myself if that's what it takes.

 

a soldier goes where he is sent , he fights because he's being shot at .
if you're saying that they voluntereed to be dropped in a meat grinder for 10+ years , you either don't know what you're talking about or your an idiot , which is it ?

with all respect , after a soldier goes through over 2 tours of combat duty , they'll never be the same . to go through 3 , 4 , 5 , 6, 7 tours of combat duty is a Hell endured they'll never recover from .

so , what your saying is as long as it's someone else being shot at , it's ok ?

as long as someone else fights for you and maybe dies , you're ok with that ?

If it was up to me , we'd still have the Draft , and you'd either serve or run to Canada like all the other cowards & draft-dodgers did

 

Do you need any help?

 

I wouldn't let my sons fight for this piece of shxt leftist country. Let it fall. Put it out of its misery.

 

Sure if I can help out your sons.

 

Sure, let's have a meet and greet. PM me. It'll be fun.

 

Progressives hate our military. They can barely hide it anymore...

 

You have no right to refuse service or to render yourself incapable of serving. The general welfare clause and the interstate commerce clause and the necessary and proper clause all provide more than adequate justification for forcing you into the service of this country.

 

I don't even think the military should be funded with tax dollars.