The vaccine won't make the virus go away

Is anyone here stupid enough to believe that if everyone in the country were vaccinated, the virus would suddenly just go away?

Let's discuss this.


If anyone listens to the news media, they loudly give the very clear impression this would be the case.

 

Is anyone stupid enough to care what you think?

Let's not discuss.

 

I see, so it's easier for you to just shut down the conversation.

"Facts" that cannot be questioned.

 

Nearly 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel fully vaccinated, data shows

 

Because it is not worthwhile

there is no doubt that the vaccine is preventing another surge in those states with higher vaccination rates

 

I think this is the pertinent part

Most of the vaccinated patients who were hospitalized, about 87 percent, were at least 60 years old.

the elderly have a muted immune response

 

No they don't. Nobody says that at all

What they do say is that if a person gets vaccinated they probably won't die of COVID-19 in the next 6 months.. That's all I've seen anyone say or even imply.
Now they do also imply very strongly that anyone who is unvaccinated is very likely to get COVID themselves and they are very likely to get and harbor a form of the disease that would be resistant to the vaccine and they might also be able to spread that form very widely for a long time before they even know they have it, if they ever come to know that at all
That's all I've seen. Can anyone cite any examples of what Kaz says?

 

If it's a waste of your time why are you in the thread?

You don't speak for everyone here and get to dictate what other posters get to discuss.

I think the topic is a perfectly valid one. You have your anti-vaccine types and then you have the exact opposite.

 

Okay, so so far we have two respondents, one who refuses to discuss the issue, and the other who only claims that the media is not claiming that everyone getting vaccinated would so easily make the virus go away.

 

Americans got polio vaccines for almost 40 years, from 1963 until 2000. Polio was completely eliminated in the US, though vaccination in still recommended against possible imported cases because the virus survives in other parts of the world (Afghanistan and Pakistan). So yes, it's possible to eliminate a virus through vaccination.
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/polio

Did you click on the link to the original article? All hospitalized vaccinated patients contracted the Delta variant, a highly contagious mutation, not the original SARS-CoV-2 virus targeted by the vaccines. The vaccines work even against the variant though, but are not as effective.

 

The article in the link provided by kazenatsu doesn't tell the whole story, but it does provide a link to the original article. Click on it. It's about the vaccine being less effective against the Delta variant.
A grim warning from Israel: Vaccination blunts, but does not defeat Delta

 

that is not as bad as you think it is

but yes, some may need a booster shot, especially those over 60

https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...s-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html

"In response, Israel began administering booster doses to people ages 60 and older July 30. The country has since expanded booster dose eligibility to Israelis who are at least 50 years old."

 

Ya, it doesnt seem like anyone wants to discuss the future of fighting disease being endless boosters for endless variants.

 

this is like saying, why do we train our military, they might go to war anyways, they can just learn as they go

I prefer to train my immune system, just in case I do catch Covid

I prefer to train our military, just in case we do go to war

 

I see a great discussion, which I would summarize like this:

 

No surge has been stopped by these experimental treatments. That is simply obvious.

 

Polio is not a respiratory infection. Nothing eradicates a respiratory infection. These experimental treatments only provide a weak response to Covid. It only targets one of the four proteins for response leaving the others to mutate and not be affected.

 

Yeah, like EVERY 6 months or less...looks like the half-assed coat of propaganda whitewash given the miracle "vaccines" is startin' to flake off....anecdotally I personally know several people who enthusiastically took the vaccine as soon as it was available and are now like "Nope, don't think so..." when it comes to the prospect of "boosters" FOR LIFE.

 

I agree, it's possible to eliminate many viral diseases through vaccination. But this is a different type, it is a coronavirus, like the common cold (of which no cure or vaccination currently exists).

And who knows? There may be a possible way to end Covid through vaccination but the technology to develop such a vaccine that would be effective enough to do that does not yet exist.
Right now there is just not any really solid studies showing exactly how effective this vaccine is at preventing spread of the virus. (Almost all of the studies are just looking at hospitalisations)

The fact that this vaccine may be preventing people from getting sick and having symptoms might even be making it more likely for the virus to spread. Since people will not be staying home if they have no indication they are sick/infected.

 

And that's the main conversation from the bulk of the news I'm seeing and reading. The crisis right now, in a few states, is regarding hospitalizations - the lack of available beds and the crushing financial burden.

 

Hospitals make their money by having beds filled. The crushing financial burden was caused by the shutdown.

 

That's the problem with Socialism. People's bodies are no longer their own, when we can justify making them do stuff because of the impact it might have on the healthcare system.
It's the collectivist mentality.

 

In fact, much of the loss is due to the lack of revenue that would come from surgeries that were put on hold. Also, the operating costs shot up significantly. There is no shortage of articles explaining this.

 

Why would it just disappear? What makes you think any disease and or virus just disappears?

 

I think you know what I mean.

All the news media is shouting at the top of their lungs and touting the vaccine as the cure to the pandemic.
"If we can only get everyone vaccinated, the pandemic will go away"
That it would stop almost all the infections.