The Virus of Mass Voter Challenges Threatens Democracy and Is Spreading Fast

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    The spread of mass voter challenges, originating in Georgia, poses a threat to democracy nationwide. Republicans are using tactics like mass challenges and new laws to disenfranchise voters. Vigilante groups are targeting voters, and organizations like True the Vote are making it easier to challenge voters. To combat this, action is needed: urge Georgia's governor to veto the new law, ban private voter challenges in Democratic trifecta states, fight against suppression tactics in court, and ensure voter registration is up to date. The goal is to prevent the virus of mass challenges from undermining democracy in upcoming elections.

    The problem with these new voter challenge laws is they can be abused and it gives voter denying folks, those who don't like the outcome of elections just because their guy or gal didn't win, to 'suspect' something was not on the up and up, without evidence, and they can challenge massive blocks of votes, tying up the process.

    These voter challenge laws are an election deniers wet dream. This will be abused, and this is why these laws must be challenged and taken off the books in the states that have them. And don't give me this crap that it removed the voters right to challenge votes, that right belongs only to those who have standing, the candidates. What this law does is give voters 'standing'. Every misinformed Trump inspired election denier can muck up the process now, and it's going to be chaos.

    The voter challenge law in Georgia, specifically outlined in the controversial SB 202, has been widely criticized and reported on for its potential to disenfranchise voters. Greg Palast, an investigative reporter known for his deep dives into voter suppression issues, has extensively covered how this law has been misused.

    According to Palast's investigations, the law has been exploited by groups like True the Vote and individual Republican party officials to mount mass challenges against the eligibility of voters. In one notable instance, a local Republican party official personally challenged the eligibility of some 32,000 voters, relying on data provided by True the Vote without conducting any personal investigation into the voters' statuses. These challenges were not based on individualized suspicion but rather on broad, unfounded claims. Such actions were deemed an abuse by the ACLU of Georgia, pointing out that mass challenges like these dangerously skirt the bounds of legality and voter intimidation.

    https://www.gregpalast.com/uncovered-illegal-attack-on-364000-georgia-voters/
    https://www.gregpalast.com/364000-voters-disqualified-in-georgia/

    In a more recent development, a federal court in Georgia ruled that the challenge to 360,000 Georgians' right to vote, which disproportionately targeted Black voters, did not violate the federal Voting Rights Act. This ruling was a significant blow to efforts to combat voter suppression and was criticized by Palast as giving a green light to expand these mass challenge tactics to other states. The case highlighted included a significant instance where an individual was challenged and required to prove his eligibility to vote despite being a legal voter, underscoring the intimidatory and disenfranchising effects of such challenges

    https://www.gregpalast.com/court-ap...hallengesdevastating-threat-to-2024-election/

    Palast's reports and films aim to shine a light on these practices, intending to protect voters' rights and ensure that democracy is upheld. His work emphasizes the need for vigilance and action to counteract these suppressive tactics and protect the fundamental right to vote.


    The Virus of Mass Voter Challenges Threatens Democracy and Is Spreading Fast

    https://www.democracydocket.com/opi...es-threatens-democracy-and-is-spreading-fast/

    If the virus of mass voter challenges is an epidemic threatening to sweep across the nation and undermine our democracy, then Georgia is patient zero. It was there, in the 2020 Senate run-off elections that we saw 360,000 voters challenged — a number so large that it defies any post-Jim Crow era comparison.

    After Republicans lost both Senate seats, it was Georgia that changed its law to make mass voter challenges easier to lodge and harder to defeat. Even as we saw Republicans file challenges in other states, in the midterm elections, Georgia again led the nation with more than 100,000 new challenges filed.

    Like a rabies victim who, in their final stages of deliria, seeks to spread the virus, Georgia Republicans continue to make mass challenges easier and more dangerous. Just last week, the GOP-controlled Legislature enacted a new law that further enables mass challenges and weakens the ability of county officials to protect targeted voters.

    Even before this newest law, we have already seen the virus of voter challenges spread. New Republican election vigilante groups are cropping up around the country to lodge mass challenges against unsuspecting voters — seeking to deprive them of the right to vote. With names like the Pigpen Project in Nevada and Soles to the Rolls in Michigan, these right-wing organizations are part of a web of anti-voting organizations preparing now to make it harder to vote by targeting voters for challenge.

    Left unchecked, the virus of mass challenges threatens to reach all corners of the country and wreak havoc on free and fair elections.
     
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    Is there any reason why we should believe him any more than any other left wing nut?
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    It has been my experience in life that those who ask loaded questions have clouded minds.

    FYI, the writer of the article is Marc Elias:

    Marc Elias
    As the founder of Democracy Docket and Partner at Elias Law Group, Marc Elias is a nationally recognized authority in voting rights, redistricting and law. In 2020, Marc led the historic legal effort to protect voting rights, winning over 60 lawsuits against the GOP’s efforts to suppress the vote. As Republicans continue to mount aggressive challenges to voting,

    If you are referring to Greg Palast, feel free to challenge anything he puts on his website.
     
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    Would that be your vast experience or your half vast experience?
    I just look at his past associations and published articles.
     
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    Yes. Since it happened in the last election. If you need another reason, you don't care about democracy. Or our elections.
     
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    We had few mass voter challenges for centuries until the Democrats spearheaded an enormous effort to make it much easier for any Tom, Dick, or Harry (or Jane) to cast a vote pretty much unchallenged. Before that elections were pretty tightly controlled, regulated, validated, and accepted as such. Ban private voter challenges??? I suppose one way to stop them is make them illegal. Ensure voter registrations are up to date??? You need to tell that to your Democrat friends who fight against most registration checks.
     
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    Well thank you for the confirmation that he is almost certainly full of crap. Attempting to assure that only legally registered voters vote would seem to me to be the first step in securing free and fair elections.
     
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    The difference between you and I is that I don't want either as president, but you believe Biden is a good president. That is the true tragedy.
     
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    Please read my first sentence.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Congratulations, you have missed the point of, as well as ignoring the point of, the OP entirely.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well you are entitled to that opinion but it's not based on evidence.

    46000 infrastructure projects.
    303000 New non farm jobs this month, unemployment below 4 percent
    chips manufacturing returning to America.
    Twenty million have healthcare who previously never had it.
    Drug prices lowered for many

    Clearly evidence means nothing to you.
     
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    I read it. That was the reason for my response.
     
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    And bridges still fall down.
    They are not new jobs. They are people returning to their old jobs and not all of them have returned. The labor participation rate was higher under Trump prior to the pandemic and the unemployment rate was lower under Trump prior to the pandemic.

    Now we have more crime. More terrorists coming across the Southern Border. Russia and China surpassing us in military strength with both threatening us.
     
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    The infrastructure project is a 10 year and most likely longer program.And you expect them all to be rebuilt in a few weeks?

    This is my point -- there is no way we can win with your ilk.
    Trump left the country in chaos.

    And these are new jobs.You've been beating that pandemic drum for far too long now. The pandemic peaked well over a year ago. And even during the pandemic they were not all pandemic related jobs. Again no winning with your ilk.

    24 of close Trump associates and prior staff do not want Trump to be President again.That's the first time in history that has ever happened. There unifying theme is that Trump is unfit to be president.

    I don't know how you can even listen to Trump --every time he opens his mouth something stupid falls out. He's an utterly disgusting repugnant pig of a man. Not
    To mention a criminal fraudster con man sex pervert.
     
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    Indeed--a clouded response, confirming my point. And what did you do? You asked another loaded question.

    But a clouded mind will never get the point.

    I just gave you incontrovertible evidence on why you should vote for Biden. What you do is twist it to some negative narrative in some glass is half empty fashion.

    Which goes to my point once again--There is no way of winning with your ilk.

    Evidence means nothing.

    But lack of evidence is grounds for accusations.

    Up is down
    Wrong is right.
    Black is white.
    And Trump is better than Biden.
     
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    I am not interested in what you think is going to happen.
    Better than now by a long shot.
    Then the old jobs have not been filled because fewer are employed now than under Trump prior to the pandemic.
    Neither are fit to be president.
    I see little difference in Trump and Biden for those items.
    You just gave the usual line of baloney.

    The bottom line is that we were better off under Trump on all important issues.
     
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    Source?
     
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    Non sequitur. I didn't think anything
    FACT: We can't rebuild all the bridges overnight. That's not a prediction

    And that fact does not depend on what you are interested in
    Read the very last paragraph again
    Black is white
    up is down
    right is wrong and
    Better than now by a long shot
    Bullshit
    Trump, no
    Biden, old but capable
    A clouded mind cannot see very well
    I should think you need a thorough review
    Of the Carl Sagan Baloney Detection Kit
    How could you possibly know?

    You can't even see where the bottom line is.
     
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    You asked for the source. I provided the source. The labor participation rate was higher under Trump and unemployment rate was lower under Trump.

    That is the same source that the democrats use to tell us how great things are.
     
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    I don't give a single flying **** what dems are telling you. I'm talking to you about what the "conservatives" are telling you.
     
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    Those employment stats are put out by the federal government. They say the employment was better under Trump.
     
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    This is the first time I've ever heard a Trump supporter claim we should use the fed economics stats. You sure you want to stick with that?
     
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    But, is challenging voter count vital to keeping the system functioning correctly; As I read this I was remained of an old saying, variously accredited to
    Adm Hyman G Rickocver - Father of the UN Navy's nuclear power fleet: " You get what you inspect, not what you expect".
     

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