The War On Drugs

You can't compare the US and Portugal. That's just stupid.

 

Pot is the roadmap to other drugs. Many want to legalize everything. So, are you trying to say that we should ignore pot but you agree with me on stronger drugs? If you can't say that then what in the hell are you bitching about? If I were to say let Pot go, would you agree with me on other drugs?

 

Yes you can, no its not.

 

Nope that's booze.

 

Well if you want to get technical "fat" is made up of much, much more than mere "sugar".

And you have the nerve to insult me....

 

LOL. I honestly don't know if you were just being sarcastic or you really believe that booze is a roadmap to other drugs but POT is not. I'm assuming it was sarcasm.

 

Booze is where it starts.

 

Not sure about the "Rounding up People" so no .. little of what you say I have agreed with .. however, I do agree that other drugs should be illegal .. and punishment for violation of the offence.. but this conversation is not about those .. This Conversation is about "The war on Pot" - and the crime related to prohibition of pot - and about civil liberties .. and illegitimacy of authority .. the latter two I know .. way deer in headlights .. but these will be explained later .. need to get through the lower level stuff first.

Pot is not Heroin .. or Meth or Fentanyl - Nor is it Alcohol - which is legal - plenty of those "Drug Addicts" .. you were wanting to round those "Drug Addicts" up as well right ? and if NO .. waaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiit a minute .. STOP Right there .. think meatloaf now -- before we go any further .. do you understand why hypocrisy in law is a bad thing ?

Why is it an anathema to law .. and everything you are supposed to believe in -- "Founding principle - Constitution - Republicanism/(Classical Liberalism if your Blue) for you to wish to round up - these addicts but not those ?

Belief in Freedom is not belief in Freedom for things you agree with -- Everyone believes in that .. Belief in freedom - is belief in freedom for things you disagree with .. if you don't belief for freedom for things you disagree with ... then you don't believe in freedom .. at all.

Now don't repeat your previous mistake - and think this means you have to believe in freedom for everything.

Now you can say .. "OK .. Freedom for What" The answer "Essential Liberty" and don't be embarrassed for not knowing what EL is

other than the name of the God of Abraham LOL !! sorry .. the pun was not intended. 12 year of school and we manage not to teach the basics .. Founding principle - why you should obey law .. and more importantly - when you shouldn't .. what voting means .. the basics every citizen should know in order to be allowed to vote IMO. .. is a simple test .. but every person voting should be able to pass it.

After this point .. you either believe in Essential Liberty or ya don't -- which means .. you either believe in unlimited Gov't power - or you don't. as if you say you believe in limits to Gov't power .. as everyone does .. "NO NO NO ... we don't want Tyranny"

Good - limited to what then .. where are the limits ? - our system suggests "EL" and although you don't know what this is .. it matters not for the moment. .. all you need to understand .. is that if you agree with EL as the bar .. where Gov't authority begins and ends .. and you find yourself on the other side of the bar .. this means you are arguing for no limits.. which is the answer to above question .. why hypocrisy in law is bad ..

Now - go take a stab at Essential Liberty .. try to figure out what that is .. and then tell me why no one told you .. that this is the Rock on which Christ based his Ministry . Matt 7:12 if you want the verse har har har..

and then .. just to be Punny - Tell me why they didn't tell you that EL was the proper name of the God of Abraham ?

 

The "war" on drugs has been an abysmall failure.

We have spent trillions of dollars on this.

Drug use is no lower now than it was then.

Drugs won the war. At this point, decriminalize it. It makes it easier to destygmatize treatment for people.

Drug addicts are sick, but not nessecarily criminal. Addiction should be treated like an illness.

 

I realize you are just trying to set me up.

 

There you go with the 1000 word essays again. Do you really have that much time on your hands that you can't make a point with less than 50 words?

 

Nope, every person I've ever known started with booze.

 

Who insulted you mate ? - and why are you pretending to have a good understanding of Chemistry ?

 

I have taught it.

 

LOL -- now thats too much funny funny .. a History Teacher who has very little knowledge of History .. and now your a Chemistry teacher.

The pH of a 5 Liter container of water is 7.5. We need to lower the pH to 6.5 using 0.05 m/L hydrochloric Acid. how much acid do I need to add

Lets see how long it takes the "Chemistry Teacher" - to figure out the answer .. Oh .. Wait .. he won't figure out the answer will he

 

i am 66 with 23 yrs sobriety, never robbed anybody, all Rx drugs and booze, my mother was a registered nurse since 1942 and spent much of her career on and off Rx drugs, she never robbed anybody, before 1970 potent Rx drugs were freely prescribed until Nixon worried about drug abuse by soldiers in Vietnam and also realized
he could target black people with increased war on drugs BS...its also been mentioned that MJ or booze are "gateway" drugs when there are no gateway drugs, working with addicts has shown me that perhaps early child abuse is a common thread with as much as 70 percent of addicts having that in their history......so many misconceptions are common knowledge that a real discussion is nearly impossible, and i figure another decade or two before we just stop this attempt to re-engineer society that started in the late 19th century and was first done with the Harrison narcotics act (1912) a product of the then "progressive" republican party
simply relaxing Rx laws to a pre 1970 state would do wonders for health and reducing crime

 

My knowledge of history far, far exceeds that of most people on this board. Including yours

I'm certified to teach all social studies subjects and I'm certified to teach Grades 4-8 Science, Math, and English.

And coach.

 

Look .. your education in such matters is low .. you could do with some reading ... further .. I made many points in less than 50 words in my post .. was not just 1 point

Regardless .. you were asked a few simple questions .. none of which you responded to .. no prob .. baby steps .. one thought at a time.

Wheres your bar - Limitation to Gov't Power .. or do you favor unlimited power .. Collectivist totalitarianism..

 

Why are you always so quick to criticize members education?

 

Not quick .. been awhile in coming .. and after was begged for - complaining - for the second time .. about a post being two long .. and not responding to anything in the post. In your case was not quick either .. and not criticism so much as showing yourself in the mirror.

did you figure out the high school chem problem yet ? Mr. Chemistry Teacher har har har .. sorry but you so walked into a brick on that one .. unknowingly it seems but shouldn't be .. as I am your Chem Teacher mate.... Did Quantum in my 4th year .. dem wave equation thingy's by Schrodinger .. .. followed by decades of applied experience .. of which I thought you would be familiar .. given the many of my tutorials .. of which you have attended. .. you know .. how when we discussed nuclear MAD .. how I actually did the math for you .. no bells rang .. no bud .. no ding ding ding .. the the thing that happens by which those of us who actually have a clue about Chemistry .. recognize that the other has attained a certain level ..

 

[QUOTE="Giftedone, post: 1073728390, member: 50378"
.. you know .. how when we discussed nuclear MAD .. how I actually did the math for you .. [/QUOTE]

Well you were all wrong on that so I have trouble respecting your opinion on anything else.

 

Well you were all wrong on that so I have trouble respecting your opinion on anything else.[/QUOTE]

No D .. You running around crying "wrong wrong wrong" .. does not make anything wrong .. never mind me. You were crucified on so many of your claims .. kind of pathetic to pretend you remember none of the spanking..

 

"Thats just Stupid" - The reverse is true ...of course US can be compared with Portugal .. in many ways .. on many metrics.

Then if we US example .. Prohibition .. you will cry the same cry .. "Can't compare prohibition of Pot to Alcohol" .. and be equally wrong.
and guilty of projecting your failings on to others.

Have you figured out what Essential Liberty is yet ? Still shilling for Totalitarianism ?

 

No D .. You running around crying "wrong wrong wrong" .. does not make anything wrong .. never mind me. You were crucified on so many of your claims .. kind of pathetic to pretend you remember none of the spanking..[/QUOTE]

I can't help it if you (among many) have drank the "WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!" koolaid when it comes to nuclear conflict.

You need to realize that "On The Beach" was NOT a documentary".

 

Its more complicated than that though. There's a lot more going on to jack up the crime rate than drug legalization. Less people working, more broken families, defunded police, violent offenders getting released, misdemeanors being ignored, looting for social justice... all this stuff is going on kinda at the same time, and most of it is a lot more obviously contributory than drugs. I've lived in rural WA since about 4 years before weed was legalized. And while the Seattle area has gone downhill since then (more like fell off a cliff...), the rest of the state is fine. Not any different at all as far as crime and chaos goes, once you get out of the dense urban areas. Plenty of folks out here smoking weed too, but still obeying the other laws and not ruining everything. I don't think drugs is the problem, I think its the other things.

FTR I don't partake, nor do I think its 'perfectly safe.' For every person I know who smokes weed responsibly, I know another two or three who clearly have a psychological addiction to it, will prolly flip burgers their entire life because they smoke away all their drive to succeed, and if they don't get their 'fix', you don't wanna be around em. But alcohol and nicotine can do that too, and its not like weed wasn't popular before it was legalized...