The War On Drugs

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Yea but one of the things that gets ignored is the fact pot calms you down unlike alcohol.

 

Criminals still sell legal but heavily taxed items like cigarettes and alcohol. Here in Australia 16% of all tobacco sold by weight is illegal tobacco for instance.

The drug war is effectively just a subsidy from users to dealers and traffickers organized by the state.

You can escape all this by either not doing drugs, or by growing your own cannabis and doctor shopping for pharmaceuticals instead of using dealers.

 

"We are all going to die" - Never said that Friend - and you know full well I did not say that all people would die from a full nuclear strike from Russia .. but you throw the falsehood out anyway .. hoping your big flaming strawman will not be noticed ?

Is that how the children should be taught - when in doubt - demonize the other .. when make mistake .. demonize the other .. har har har : .. those poor students . well .. shouldnt' say that .. they will have someskills, in deception at least .. little decepticons for Jesus .. running around .. hoping for the apocalypse .. so they can be raptured ..

Is interesting D .. how similar this ideology is to the Islamist don't you think !? .. which relates to topic .. Why is it that you desire to force your puritan religious beliefs on others through physical violence ? This is not what Jesus taught .. teachings from "The dark side" these are ... some kind of authoritarian theocracy is the desire .. Matt 16 23 “Get behind me, Satan!" is what I say to thee

 

Thank you for your anecdotal response. My comments are about all of those who need help and we need to give it to them, tough love.

 

Says someone who is probably OK with the Democrats complete takeover of democracy and turning the country into their own fascist state. How did you feel about mandatory vaccines where you had to get vaccinated or be fired from your job with no unemployment and having to show your papers if you wanted to go out to establishments?

 

The US can also be compared with Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, etc.

 

Drug legalization is just one factor. Most of the factors are liberal policies.

 

What a vacid cry for help was my first thought. Lacking the ability to support, justify, and understand the collectivist ideology you have been promoting .. you try to project your " Liberal Fascist State" desires onto others.

Your the RINO in the Room .. not me. "Republican in Name Only" . You despise the principles of Republicanism .. and have no respect for Essential Liberty.. had no idea that Liberty was a founding principle -- want limitations to Gov't Power removed.. on the basis of "Collectivist" = Marxist Justification .. and call me a fascist .. aaaaahhhh huuuhhhhh.

Then you try to pin me as a vaxer .. lacking the ability to do other than name call - when it is you who wants the state to have the power violate bodily autonomy - of its own volition - with no restraints.

Don't be tarring me with your sins .. I want none of that collectivist Blue Marxist koolaid that you don't even realize has colored your lips.

 

ive heard it said the country was great at one time before we made drug use a crime, i HAVE worked with addicts giving them help for years, i would suggest you dont understand addiction and rely upon horror storys of the "war on drugs media storys" of the last hundred years for your information

 

I see you totally dodged stating your opinion on vaccine mandates and having to show your papers to enter places.

 

So, you're saying that we should let addicts be addicts and not get them the help they need?

 

I stated clearly .. my opinion.. you being the one dodging - having nothing but demonization of the messenger tactics .. aka "Ad Hom Fallacy" - to respond to your hatred of Republicanism .. the founding principle .. Constitutional Republic .. prefering a Marxist Blue Collectivist form of totalitarianism .. where Gov't has unlimited power to engage in forced medical treatment .. invasion of bodily autonomy .. and a host of other nasty things.

Told you previously - no interest have I in your Collectivist Utopia - hatred of Essential Liberty .. invasion of privacy .. "Show your papers" .

Quit trying to project your issues on me. Where's Pence these days .. "MVP" aye mate .. big fan of Mikey ? .. the "Mandatory Vaginal Penetration" candidate .. I bet . Love forcing those religious beliefs on others through physical violence .. like the Islamist .. Brothers in Arms ..

 

Alcohol calms me down. Weed shuts me down.

 

Post a link to where I ever advocated that?

You can't of course

 

as i have worked in the field of addiction i can tell you that most addicts function and do indeed have jobs, when forced into treatment most will go years of slipping and sliding before it "catchs" treatment does not work until one is ready, i got help when i became homeless at age 42, treatment is a wasted effort until one is ready,,
the best way to describe treatment is finally "growing up" and excepting responsibility and it commonly occurs in ones early forty's, until that time it would be much simpler
to let addicts have Rx pure drugs at the much lower cost of say a codeine pill which costs penny's to produce

 

The treatments don't work because it is only a 30 day plan and then you are supposed to go for weekly visits after that. The plan sucks. That's why it doesn't work.

 

treatment is a lifelong commitment, i had three or four "sponsors", one became my best friends..the "treatment is AA or NA and consists of meetings to get you acquainted with what become your "family" and if you really want sobriety you will be in daily contact with your new sober family and do other things including these people

 

Which is the point. If you don't truly want sobriety then you are free to kill someone while driving drunk and we don't do anything about it beforehand. We only go after these people AFTER they kill someone. Let's face it, most of these things fail because the programs suck. 30 day programs followed by weekly visits just doesn't cut it. We need much tougher love.

 

i just explained to you treatment involves a lifelong commitment to sobriety, you cant criminalize what ifs

 

Since you're so knowledgeable, maybe you could tell us what percentage of those who get treatment are actually "cured" for life. And, of course, that figure would not include all of those who don't even get treatment.

 

i never claimed to know everything, i have only my 40yrs of using and 20plus of sobriety, there are quite a number of people doped up now on tranquilizers and such legally prescribed and the world is a dangerous place indeed, maybe you shouldn't drive, abuse can be likened to an obsession which one outgrows sooner or later

 

What nonsense. Your source talks about pot being legalized, then bemoans "illegal cultivation." Hello? If cultivation is illegal, pot has not been legalized. Not rocket science.

The War on Drugs is over. Drugs won. Deal with it.

 

No, it would just be a lot less costly to society than prohibition.

 

and that is the whole point