The West Is NOT At War With Islam, President Said Not All Muslims Are Terrorists

I would simply point out a few things here:

Bush was the one that brokered our troop withdrawal from Iraq. Obama tried to negotiate otherwise and was shot down by the guy Bush placed in charge.
We are still in Afghanistan.

It may not be convenient to your diatribe, but it is documented history and not deniable.

 

Nope...it would have been very hard to do so, as there was no "West" at the time. Strangely, Muslims themselves now speak for Islam and generally seem to disagree with the Qu'ranic things they wish to Ignore. Much like Christianity without the Bombs.

 

What are you talking about? The Muslim radicals who kill in the name of religion have disagreed with Islam's basic tenets of not killing others. I disagree with the radical interpretation of Islamic religion as do most Muslims, who have interpreted the Koran more correctly on a whole.

 

Is it that you did not read what I typed, or that it for some reason was too hard to understand?

Pretty much what you just said.

 

Is Obama too stupid to see that it is islamist that are doing all the killing in the world. It is not people from other religions that are chopping heads off of people or killing people with suicide belts.

 

Cons don't want to hear facts about the SOFA agreement W brokered with the idiots he put in power in Iraq. It's easier for simple minded republicans to remember a few catch phrases like "it's Obama's fault" and "make america great again" rather than filling their heads with useful facts and information.

 

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

Well, if I was a Liberal, I would certainly be at war with Islam, because it would go against everything I believe.
1. There is no separation of Church and state----it is religion 24/7. Everything revolves around religion.

2. In 13 Muslim countries, it is against the law to be an atheist and the penalty is death. OOPS! So much for
Liberals.

3. There is zero tolerance of gays. They are executed.

4. Abortion is frowned upon---no Planned Parenthoods there.

5. There is a hideous war on women including the "uniform" they must wear, honor killings, no education, beatings, etc. They have no rights.

6. Slavery is ok with them.

Why Libs continue to defend this cult when it goes against all they believe is a mystery. Hypocrites?

 

Per the title of this thread----------------everyone knows Obama is a liar. Probable second only to Hillary that has been a serial liar for decades.

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+1 on your post. Why liberals dont understand this is beyond understanding.

 

Personally, I think libs see Muslims as the ultimate fixer-upper. Being able to swing some rabid Muslim jihadist over to tea and cakes at an LGBT meeting is their hearts desire. Maybe some poetry reading too.

Then they get to take their tame jihadist around to their "intellectual" friends to show how superior they are in advancing "multiculturalism".

 

The President also said if you liked your insurance you could keep it...

 

There are non Muslim terrorists. There is data that argues that more people have died in America post 9/11 by non Islamist home grown terrorist.

Ad hominem

 

In his defense, the kook blog merely sources the FBI report, which lists all the known terror attacks since 1980. You can access it through the link on the kook blog's page, or - for your convenience, right here:

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05#terror_05sum

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A surprising amount of eco-terrorism.

 

Is it just me or does the above sound like a Republican Utopia, they hate Gays, Womens rights, Womens rights to choose, Want to turn American into a Christian theocracy and they want to keep almost all of America poor, hense slaves

 

Did Obama even TRY to renegotiate the agreement with Iraq? NO! He said from the get-go that he was leaving. That allowed ISIS to form and grow stronger KNOWING in advance when the US would be gone. Obama did not WANT to stay even though common sense would have dictated otherwise. But unfortunately Liberals are loaded with too much bravado and totally lack common sense. This is on OBAMA. He coulda, woulda, shoulda, but did NOT. Again, I ask, what does Obama have to do before Liberals see what a joke he is? It makes them look as though they are out of touch with reality.

 

The west IS at war with a particular radical and extremist interpretation of Islam, and with a group of muslims. Not all muslims, but a group of muslims. Not Islam as a whole, but one kind of Islam. How can there be so much confusion about such simple facts?

 

According to dems, no Muslims are terrorists, they are just victims of global warming.

 

This is not true
There were extensive negotiations with iraq
They would not bend on the issue of having us troops under iraq law
And frankly
They felt no need to compromise since the security situation at that time seemed calm

The agreement failed over a demand that American troops be given immunity from prosecution by Iraqis, a very touchy political issue within the Iraqi Parliament. Some experts said Iraqi leaders may not have been willing to take great political risk with their citizens in exchange for a relatively small American force.

But no immunity meant no sizable residual troop presence.

"When the Americans asked for immunity, the Iraqi side answered that it was not possible," al-Maliki said in an October 2011 news conference. "The discussions over the number of trainers and the place of training stopped. Now that the issue of immunity was decided and that no immunity to be given, the withdrawal has started."

 

Obama always seems to get what he wants. He did not want this because he campaigned as the one to get us out, and by golly, that was what he was going to do. Remember, Obama has no qualms about lying. So he doesn't have a problem saying how hard he tried, but it was the Iraqis' fault. MSM continued that scenario. What was Hillary doing? And ISIS evolved. Funny, how he has been the president of constant war instead of the president of peace.3 out of 4 Americans killed in Afghanistan have occurred under Obama. He tried to get regime change in Libya leading to disastrous results including Benghazi. He tried to effect regime change in Syria with all his red lines to disastrous results leading to ISIS getting stronger. If he had kept some troops in Iraq, maybe ISIS would not have formed and we would not have all this chaos. I think he has made matters much worse.

 

Ok, so this is easy.

Most people born & raised in the US have not traveled outside of the country, and a good many of them do not wish too, or wish to know much about anything past Apple Pie, Mom, and Chevrolet....cool.....not very open minded or intelligent in my opinion - but cool, to each his or her own.

That basic lack of, or non-interest in educating ones self about the outside world is dangerous in that people are easily fooled or tricked into believing things that simply are not true. It opens the doors for people with absolutely no credibility on a wide range of subjects (with radio or TV programs) to reach millions and unfortunately fill their heads with "their" opinions or biases", and disaster usually ensues.

Add to that the alarming number of otherwise highly educated, common sense people that truly believe the president is a Muslim (and I've met a lot of them) and you have a dangerous Molotov cocktail.

Hence, anything the man say's on this particular subject either falls flat on deaf ear's from people that have no interest in what he has to say or they believe he is defending his "alleged" religion & people.

You know, I didn't care much for President Bush and I still don't....but I always "listened" to what the man had to say, and if it made sense or I could connect the dots for myself then I would give him credit. Unfortunately (for many reasons too long to list here) President Obama doesn't get that same respect from many of our friends on the right.

Hell, they won't even acknowledge he's the president by calling him "President Obama". You don't have to like the person, but respect the position.

There is a clear defined distinction between Islam & Muslims, and here it is:

Islam vs Muslim

Nearly one quarter of the world’s population follows the religion that was revealed to the Prophet Mohammed and subsequently transcribed into the Quran. Despite its number of faithful followers that have now settled across the globe, many Westerners don’t have a clear idea of what this religion entails. Subsequently, even incredibly fundamental questions, such as the difference between Islam and Muslim, arise as these same Westerners are beginning to explore their increasingly globalized world. Beyond linguistic distinctions, there are actually very few differences between Islam and Muslim.

Definition of Islam and Muslim

• Islam : the meaning comes from the Arabic verbal noun (like a gerund) s-l-m. When appropriate vowel markers are added the word Islam appears. The etymology of s-l-m is to submit, accept, or surrender. From this comes Islam’s conventional definition of surrender to God.

• Muslim : also has its roots in the s-l-m verb. It is a participle of the verb and refers to a person who engages in the act of submission, acceptance, or surrender. Therefore a Muslim is a person who submits to the will of God, or a follower of Islam.


The president in his "intellectual" way, is trying to do a few things by separating the two and not offend millions of people - that by all rights don't deserve to be offended.

He's trying to show the world that he understands the difference's between the two, and that he is not lumping everyone together into the category of: "your all a bunch of bloodthirsty killers that wants to destroy the world."

He understands the gravity and how destructive "that" type of message would be. He also understands that you cannot bridge gaps or build relationships with that style of ignorant rhetoric.

In other words: he's just being the most level headed, smartest guy in the room.........again.......as usual. (man watch me get slammed for that statement)

Seriously, I understand all of it, and I wish many more of my fellow Americans would also see it & understand it instead of jumping all over the: "he's secretly one of them" nonsense.

 

was the planned parenthood shooter Muslim?

 

I agree with that. Not all Muslims are terrorist. Not all Muslims are Jihadist. But we are at war with the Jihadist Muslims. We are at war with ISIS, AQ and several other terrorist organizations. I see nothing wrong with labeling those whom we are war with, who wish us harm, who spout death to America while shouting Allah Akbar. Those we are at war with and identifying them is important.

We as a nation must realize as the president states, not all Muslims are terrorist and at the same time realize we are at war with those Muslims who wish us harm. We have some pretty solid allies in a lot of Muslim Countries. We have Muslim's serving in our Armed Forces and doing a darn good job. We had an old saying when I was in the Military, "You will always have your 10%." Perhaps 10% of the Muslim world is at war with the west, at war against Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and other religions or no religion.

But it is also very important to realize 90% of the Muslim world is not at war with anyone and just wants to be left alone to worship in the manner they so choose. Just like the rest of us. For the president it is important he identifies which Muslims we are war with and for Trump it is important he realizes it is not all Muslims.

 

You make these ridiculous generalizations "All Terrorists are Muslim"

Generalizations that are so obviously untrue that anyone not in denial of the fact that the sky is blue can see they are false.

Then when presented with evidence contradicting your claim your immediate reaction is to stick head in sand of denial and default to some kind of fallacy. Ad Hom in this case.

It really does not matter what the nature of the blog is. The question is whether or not the evidence is factual.

 

Here's the thing, Obama wouldn't even be president if it wasn't for that uneducated bias.

What are his accomplishments that earned him the highest job in the nation? Some community organizing and his biggest accomplishment which was getting some asbestos removed from some buildings.

His mentors and his heros are decidedly UN-American. Everything he has done to this country has been against the desires of the american people, Obamacare as an example.

The truth is, there is only reason that he is president, and that is because he looks like a black man. People voted for him because they wanted a black president, and that is the only reason, in much the same way many people will vote for Hillary Clinton just because she's a woman. Never mind shes a feral, psycopathic liar (and probably worse).

If educated, worldly people were making the decisions in this country, he would have never even been a contender for the office of president.

 

Right, the: "his popularity not his content or education got him in" conversation.

I heard this a lot back when he was running for president, it was the first of a long line of attacks that have all pretty much not stuck to the wall the way conservatives would have hoped it would have.

I'll be the first to admit that the man did not come into the Whitehouse with many years of experience, I'll also admit that many people seemed concerned about that.........concerned about that..........back then...........but not so much with the two leading contenders that are running now. "Huge order of hypocrisy & BS on line 2 Joe......"

A doctor whose only famous because he made a bunch of "incorrect" statements & accusations about the new healthcare law which have all pretty much already fallen flat, and an overblown suit with the class of a slug, the manners of a gorilla, and the political knowledge of a two year old - yet these are the people currently leading the polls on the right.

I actually feel bad for the right that they can't find one, level headed, reasonable person that won't deflect serious policy questions, and then cry constantly about the lame stream liberal media, or lie pathologically about everything just to rile up a "frothing at the mouth base" that wants the darkie outta there....

Yes, I see your point...........

Look, President Obama does not walk on water, will not go down in history as the greatest president ever, and has definitely learned on the job the way all presidents do which your conveniently not mentioning, and it's a bit disingenuous.

I respect your opinion because I have to, but I definitely disagree.

In your opinion the new health care law sucks but there are millions who like it, love it, have benefited from it, and are extremely happy it exists. So we're talking perspectives here, aren't we?

Not all educated people know everything, not all day laborers or people with high school or less than high school educations are worthless.

Wayne Huizenga got as far as the eight grade, and look at him now. President Bush went to Yale........................I won't finish that sentence.

My over-all point more-so than a persons education was their acceptance or un-acceptance of information based on how open they are to it, and the reason why so many people have slammed the president over his remarks regarding: Muslims, Islam, the war, and all things related to these topics is because they don't fully understand the nuanced difference's between all of it.

That's all............no harm, no foul........