Christian Science Monitor Article as Reference http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-obamacare-204125694.html I will make three points on my end from the article: 1. Only 15% of people will need to get Exchange coverage. 2. 29 States have or likely will expand Medicaid currently. 3. Most people will get insurance under the usual means now or under expanded Medicaid. So as I see it the whole issue is overblown given time the hold out states will be forced by circumstances ,a lot of money, to expand Medicaid and most others will accept the law when the general affects are over in the other areas. And do you think it will be repealed when the states expanding Medicaid fights to keep the money they are getting in Congress? Unless the Republicans Tea Party side allows the Medicaid expansion to stay in a replacement law, good luck. So why not accept the ACA and make modest changes its the only option there is.
Notice how the right wing America haters who want to see Americans die from lack of health care avoid these TRUTHS like the plague.
The Right Wing American haters? Your an idiot. Moderates like my self who see progressives as the haters of America, do not want anyone to die for lack of health insurance. PERIOD. We wanted regulation of private health insurance companies just as we wanted regulation of credit card companies(which also was failed legislation). Obamacare is making health insurance companies more wealthy while costing individuals, families and small businesses more. Why can't you understand that? Unless, like myself you have worked in the health care industry since the 1980's you can't possibly understand the implications of this law. I am sick of your stupid uneducated comments. When you have some facts to post, I will welcome them.
all one has to do is look at the attacks on the web site when it needed fixing, I have yet to see any attacks that reached that level for any part of the ACA, trust me, they would if they could find something... sure some parts need tweaked over time, but this is something new were trying, that is to be expected .
Seriously? The problems with the website will be eventually fixed. Probably. But the problems with premiums increasing and individual/family policies for those that were already covered and small business group insurance will only increase. The ACA was touted as a way to cover the uninsured unable to pay the high premiums or who had costly illnesses called pre-existing condition, those that use the emergency room as their mode of getting medical treatment which increased the overall premiums for all those insured, reduction of the cost of health insurance for all and the means of reducing the overall cost of "medical care"(not health insurance costs) simply isn't happening and will not happen. The cost to the Federal Government and taxpayers will be huge and the money might as well been used to establish another PART of Medicare call it E that would cover those with pre-existing conditions with subsidized premiums rather than changing the entire health insurance system. The health insurance system and not medical care is all the ACA changed plus making more individuals/families eligible for Medicaid. It will increase the premiums for everyone that is currently covered by health insurance and do little to stop the cost of emergency room visits by uninsured as those at the "poverty level" described in the ACA have no mandate to apply for any insurance coverage and can continue to use the emergency rooms at "no cost" to them. Hospitals and health providers treating these people do it for free and will continue to do so. Some parts need tweeked? How about the only good part was the Patient Protections that involved regulating the Insurance Companies. Yet Obama and the Dems have done the opposite, they provided some protections, failing to regulate premium increases. The increased expenses Insurance Companies are now offset by the increase in the number of insureds and the increase in the premiums for coverage many policy holders don't even need, such as maternity and newborn coverage. The big winners are the insurance companies and the losers are us. Don't you get it.
15% of 303,000,000 is 45,450,000 Americans that will need to sign-up for Obamacare. As of December 1, 2013, there were an estimated 450,000 signed up. So that leaves just 45,000,000 still needing to signup in a 23 day period. That is more then 81,000 Americans per hour. Just one problem. According to HHS, the Obamacare website can only accommodate 50,000 users an hour. So, if 50,000 Americans will sign up every hour, and that there are no glitches or down time; then there will only be 17,000,000 will not make the deadline to be insured on Jan 1. Even if we extend that out to March 23, then there will still need be more then 16,000 enrolled per hour. This number is exasperated by the fact that most of those that have signed up so far, may not be actually enrolled due to glitches on their applications. Frankly, I foresee nearly 10 million wanting to enroll, and still having to pay the fine. This will be due to the availability and accuracy of the website. This is not true. There have been 25 states that have expanded Medicaid. The other four have appointed committees to look into expanding Medicaid, but they have not moved forward with expanding the program. In other words, 50% of the states have rejected the expansion of Medicaid within their state. http://kff.org/health-reform/state-...nding-medicaid-under-the-affordable-care-act/ Another statement that is not actually true. In 2014, when the Employer mandate kicks in, an estimated 50 to 80 million employees will lose their Employer based insurance. Many companies are choosing to cut full-time workers back to part-time, or are cutting their insurance completely. Some will see that it is cheaper to pay the fine then to pay the higher premiums. You do realize that a bill to repeal Obamacare could contain a provision to keep the funding in place for states that expanded of Medicaid? Here is what I find interesting. One of the reasons for Obamacare was to get coverage for the uninsured. When the bill was passed there were about 49.95 Million Americans uninsured. By Sept 2012, that number was down to 48 Million. So, nearly 2 million uninsured Americans had bought insurance ahead of the ACA. The CBO estimates that there will still be 44 million uninsured after 2014. That means that the ACA will reduce the uninsured ranks by only 4 million. I see that as not enough bang for the bucks. http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2012/uninsuredintheus/ib.shtml http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/sto...ninsured-numbers-remain-nearly-unchanged.aspx I have a better idea. Let's repeal Obamacare, and then put in place a program that will actually enhances our healthcare system. In other words, a program takes the government out of the healthcare industry.
Moderates like my self who see progressives as the haters of America You're a moderate and see progressives as America haters? Now that's the ultimate stupidity. The words of a complete idiot. Progressives want to save American lives which is why they want reform. Reform in the form of universal health, the type of which we as taxpayers pay for in Israel. It is treasonous right wing America haters who rejoice in seeing Americans die for lack of health care. Only someone with their brains stuck up their stinkholes would be stupid enough to deny the same right to Americans. As shown in the following site, THOUSANDS of lives are being saved every day: https://www.facebook.com/acasuccessstories https://www.facebook.com/ObamacareSavedMyLife http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/i-am-obamacare-_n_4046470.html Thousands of lives saved. How can anyone be so stupid as to deny these people the right to live? Only those who hate America do so. Those are the facts. Only a moron like you will deny it.
Okay half the states did that in effect makes a repeal of Medicaid funding impossible they now have half of Senate Seats and of House Seats, expanding Medicaid in other states will happen since its now immune from repeal if any more states sign on and they can do that anytime they wish starting next year. If Democrats hold power in Congress and the WH it would be the best time to drop the hammer if a state opts out fine, but states that do give considerations for government funding to private parties of say 20 points over those in opt out states using an executive order to the military procurement and all government agencies to non-state or local government parties in these states. See how long the states hold out when companies have a choice for a military contract go to a state that expanded Medicaid or not. And your not punishing the states just adding a adjustment to states that opted in. Go for the jugular and see if the states stay stubborn.
I love how Liberal idiots try to spin facts. First of all, the states voted not to expand Medicaid because of the additional costs that would impact their state budgets. For the first three years, the ACA will offset 100% the additional cost of Medicaid expansion. Starting in 2017, that offset starts reducing. 95% in 2017, 94% in 2018, 93% in 2019 and 90% in 2020 and beyond. Most states rightfully believe that those percentages will change as the Federal government works to reign in spending. Believe it or not, most states do not want to end up bankrupt. Section 2001 of http://housedocs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.pdf That threat of increase becomes more likely of the current trend continues. That being that of 1.6 Million enrollees in Obamacare, 1.46 Million have been new Medicaid enrollees. The original plan had been to offset the additional costs of Medicaid by taxing profits of the Insurance Companies. Under the current trend, not only will there not be profits to tax, the Federal Government is set of offset Insurance Companies losses. http://nypost.com/2013/12/07/the-medicaid-time-bomb/ If every state that is supposedly moving forward actually passes the expansion, and the Congressional make-up remains the same after the 2014 elections; then the states that expanded Medicaid would actually hold an advantage. 51 Senate seats (including VP as the President of the Senate), and 307 Congressional seats. But those numbers include 11 states that are supposedly moving forward. Of those 11 states, 6 have ended the years state legislation without an agreement, and five have never sent a bill to the floor. This means that come January 1, 2014, these states will not be expanding Medicaid. Given that this is an election year, there is little hope of these states moving forward in the coming year. That costs 22 Senatorial seats leaving only 29 seats, and 113 Congressional seats leaving only 194. Far shy of the even numbers that you claimed. Further, SCOTUS has ruled that the Federal Government (Legislative or Executive branches) can not, as you put it, " Go for the jugular". Your dream that the DNC will retain control of the House and Senate in 2014, is nothing but a pipe dream. You can count on the remaining two years of the Obama Administration being a lame duck Presidency. He will have to negotiate with the GOP to get anything done, and I can guarantee that those negotiations will include a reduction or repeal of the ACA.
The do what I suggested by Executive Order the President is the head of the government and the CEO he can simply require that point adjustment for all contracts not involving state governments that is private citizens and businesses and not for profits and simply say your state expanded Medicaid you get a 20 point bump in your application for a Army contract and this state that didn't - doesn't. You want a small business loan in Florida sorry the business in Ohio gets the funds since they did not expand Medicaid. And apply this to contract renewals unless it would compromise seriously national security. Lets see how long they hold out. And if Congress doesn't like it fight it out in court. Its not punishing states so follows the High Court ruling its hitting private parties. ^_^
Now I'm not positive but I suspect that would be stretching what a president could legally do even by way of quasi-legal executive orders; and if so then the court would eventually rule the order void. Also the notion of 'head of government' is a statement somewhat redolent of absolute monarchy. Technically the government is divided into three absolutely co-equal branches. While the chief executive has an enormous amount of power -- mostly because the legislative branch has steadily been allowing that to come about for decades -- he ( or she ) is not yet an actual monarch ruling via the divine right of kings concept.
I realize that you Liberals are not versed in how this country actually runs, or how the Constitution limits the powers of the President. You might want to actually read the Constitution before posting something that if followed would actually bring about open rebellion in the US. The President's power is not absolute. Contrary to what Obama has tried to convince us, the President can not issue an Executive Order to do things that violate his Constitutional Powers. But let's say in some abstract world you were right. The President passes an Executive Order that states that Federal Funding from programs like the SBA would be restricted to states that expand Medicaid. Do you think that any Senator or Congressman would ever vote to back anything that the President wanted? If he starts intentionally hurting the private citizens in those states, they would stage a demonstration by voting with the GOP on everything. This would include the DNC members of those states. Many states that did expand Medicaid would join that demonstration because they would worry that such power by the President might be used against their state on some other issue. Then what happens if the GOP gains control of the White House? Do you believe that they would hesitate to continue that power to push ultra-Conservative policies? Before long states would start succeeding from the Nation due to a lack of representation. So either you believe in a complete dismantling of this country, or you have no idea what you are talking about. I will let you decide which.
Try it, odds are a legal case would come from private parties or government agencies over Congress but a court could rule its okay after all the President can decide policy if not restricted by law, it would be fun to try. He is a lame duck after all so go for it.
Fo卐 network liars hate this TRUTH: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/11/obamacare-enrollment_n_4421797.html Obamacare Enrollments Surpass 1 Million More than two months after Obamacare's ugly debut, the number of Americans using the system is starting to grow: Nearly 1.2 million people are on track to have health coverage in place next year from the law's health insurance exchanges, the Department of Health and Human Services announced Wednesday. From Oct. 1 through Nov. 30, almost 365,000 people enrolled into private health insurance via the federal and state marketplaces and more than 803,000 were deemed eligible for Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Program, according to the department.
Show me some proof from the government (not made up stats from the treasonous Fo卐 network liars) that 5 million have lost their coverage.
The govt LIES. "If you like your current policy, you can keep your current policy." Why on earth would you believe anything they tell you? Check the comments on healthcare.gov/facebook. Those are the voices of REAL Americans... not Obama stooges. https://m.facebook.com/Healthcare.g...://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php&_rdr
Just saw on the news this morning that the WH announced 350,000 have signed up for OCare. Looks like Fox isnt the liar here. FAIL
Still waiting for proof from the government that 5 million have lost their coverage. Another right wing FAIL.
What difference does it make. Not going to mitigate the big lie this thread is based on. Sebelius herself said only 363,000 have signed up to date and she admits even those wont have insurance unless they pay by Dec 23. The thread is a lie. Just like Obamacare.
Quintuple AND convince folks, its a great deal. Comments from healthcare.gov facebook page. "It's the law; get over it" sounds an awful like "The king has spoken; get over it."Funny that it's the Democrat party, the liberals, the ones supposed for the little guy, who are advising us that we the people have no power, and that we're to just bow down to the Powers That Be. posted yesterday *********** Hmm... well, I applied YESTERDAY and was accepted but did not Enroll - logged back in TODAY, and the plans that I had saved were GONE, and all plans COSTS HAD INCREASED - what kind of F-ing Shell Game are ya'll trying to pull?!!!!!!!! Yesterday at 2:48pm Yeah, it a resounding success, huh?
still waiting for proof of the ridiculous right wing claim that 5 million Americans have lost coverage
Google is your friend. At least a dozen sources to choose from. Here's one... NBC... http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_...f-health-care-policies-just-as-they-predicted
