They Fear Him: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Banned By Major Social Media Site, Campaign Pages Blocked

Different opinions are acceptable. I just think that voting for a caniate that can't win is a waste vote. It may make you feel good, but it doesn't lower the price of gas, decrease crime, lower inflation, disentangle us from Ukraine, and so forth. Making you feel good may be enough for you. Its not for me.

 

Granted, everyone thinks and votes differently, everyone has their own reason for voting the way they do. For me it’s been more of a case of refusing to help a candidate get elected that I don’t want to be elected. It also boils down to the fact that when I disliked both major party’s candidates, although I know one or the other will win, I don’t care which one since I don’t want neither one.


I voted for Johnson in 2016, both Trump and Clinton disgusted me. No way was I going to help either one. Another example was Georgia’s senate race in the 2022 midterms. Although I really despised both Warnock and Walker, fact is 58% of all Georgians disapproved of the job Warnock was doing vs. a Trump chosen candidate in Walker. I voted for Chase Oliver in the general, against both. Then when the runoff occurred 3 weeks later since neither received a majority of the vote; I stayed home and didn’t vote since I would have been forced to choose between two candidates, I didn’t want to be Georgia’s senator. I wasn’t going to help either one. If one or the other was going to be Georgia’s next senator, let others choose, let other pick their own poison, cyanide or arsenic and let them drink it and live with their choice. That’s their problem. Live with it, drink the poison.

 

If you don't vote, you can't complain about what you get.
But on another matter, perhaps you can hel me out. I know there are many folks that don't like Trump. I can't figure out why. Oh, yes, he has a big mouth, but that doesn't effect the food on my table or the gas in my tank. I don't really care much about what people SAY, I care about what they DO. And when I look at Trump I see cheaper gas, less crime, more secure borders, fewer fentanyl deaths, no European entanglements costing us an arm and a leg, more secure airspace, no arming the Taliban... ad nauseam. Who he sleeps with doesn't effect the safety or prosperity of my family one iota.
So why do so many people hate Trump?

 

You’re correct. I don’t complain, I steel myself for the worst and if the results are less worse than I thought, expected then that’s good. If worse, then it’s the old, I told you so.


On Trump, I can’t speak for Democrats, I’m not one. Just a swing voter who studied many, many polls when it comes to independents. I can tell you going by what the polls reported on Trump’s policies, it wasn’t his policies that defeat him or caused independents to vote for Biden, more accurately, against Trump 54-41 with 5% voting third party against both Trump and Biden. Independents were fairly evenly split on Trump’s policies, for some, against some. It was the man himself independents really disliked. I’m not going to use the word hate, because that is way too strong a word. It was Trump’s obnoxious, uncouth, rude personality. His childish antics like name calling, throwing temper tantrums like a spoiled 4-year-old brat. His 3rd grade schoolyard bullying tactics and most of all, his very unpresidential behavior that most, at least 54% of independent felt was way below the office of the presidency deserved.


Looking at recent polls, favorability/unfavorable, independents still don’t like the man, the individual, his childish antics, his schoolyard bully tactics, his refusal to behave like an adult. Today only 36% of independents view Trump favorably, positively vs. 58% negatively, unfavorable. That unfavorable has been constantly around 60% of independents since Trump first stepped on the scene back in 2016. Only in 2016 independents viewed Clinton more unfavorably than they did Trump. Trump was able to win independents by a slim 46-42 margin with 12% voting third party against both Clinton and Trump.


As for 2024, only 35% of independents approve of Biden’s job performance vs. 57% disapprove. Independents have soured on Biden. The question then becomes, which one will independents vote against? Against Trump obnoxious, rude persona, his very unpresidential behavior or against Biden’s poor job performance? I don’t have the answer to that outside of some polls which suggests independents are now split fairly evenly among those two. Which would be a plus for Trump if he can split the independent vote with Biden as Biden won them in 2020 54-41. Time will tell.

 

I couldn't care less about "antics" as long he keeps gas prices down, taxes down, inflation down, keeps the peace, and helps my family stay safe and prosperous. I'm not looking to hang out with him and be my buddy, I'm looking for him to be a PRESIDENT and keep us safe and prosperous.

 

You don’t. But apparently a good-sized majority of independents did. If their vote was on policy only, they probably would have gone to Trump, but it wasn’t. Independents wanted the childish behaving Trump gone in the worst way. They went for what many have called, the only adult in the room.


The fact is when it comes to independents, they’re not political junkies or policy wonks. An election to many of them is like a beauty contest, a popularity contest. History has shown since 1932, independents have voted for the most charismatic candidate with a couple of exception. Trump personality will always be a huge hinderance when it comes to winning independents. Republicans will vote for Trump because he's a Republican, Democrats will vote against Trump, because he’s a Republican. That leaves the unaffiliate, less to nonpartisan group of voters we call independents. This last group decides national elections. Not Republicans, not Democrats. Look at independents voting history.

2020 Biden, the adult over the obnoxious spoiled brat

2016 Trump, obnoxious over the elitist, aloof know it all, Clinton. Even so 54% of independents voted against Trump, 58% voted against Clinton.

2012 Obama, more charismatic

2008 Obama, much more charismatic than McCain

2004 Bush, not that Bush was that charismatic, but he had than down home boy charm against the statue Kerry

2000 Bush again, against another statue, Gore

1996 Bill Clinton, he had charisma out of his butt, Dole was dour, no charisma at all

1996 Bill Clinton, the more charismatic

1988 Bush, neither he nor Dukakis had any charisma, but Dukakis looked like an idiot ridding around in that tank.

1984 Reagan, very charismatic over Mondale, no charisma

1980 Reagan, again Reagan had all the charisma in the world, Carter was more the down home boy which worked in 1976, but not in 1980

1976 Carter, the downhome likable boy over the stoic Ford. Another statue


And so it goes. Can Trump win the independent this go around if it happens? Perhaps, neither has any charisma at all.

 

What I don't understand is that most Americans don't want either Biden or Trump to run again and yet when others are running against them in the primaries, poll answerers favor both Biden and Trump by long shots. It's not even close.

 

I think Trump would have easily won re-election in 2020 if it had not been for Covid, even though he is a disgusting human being.

 

I have no influence over how independents, Republicans, Democrats, Greens, Communists or anyone else votes. I only know how I will vote. I will vote for the person that makes gas prices lower, reduces inflation, keeps us out of war, reduces crime, keeps our air space secure, secures our borders, lowers taxes, reduces government spending, doesn't arm terrorists, and stands up to our enemies. I don't care about charisma, tantrums, or hair cuts. I just want the one that will make my family and I the most safe and prosperous.

 

The reason is most Americans don’t have a say in either major party primaries. Only Republicans vote in their primaries and only Democrats vote in theirs. If the Republicans want Trump, which around 55% do, what the rest of America wants or don’t want means nothing. Same for the Democrats, if 65% of Democrats want Biden, then Biden it will be regardless of what the rest of America want or don’t want.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e..._democratic_presidential_nomination-8171.html


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e..._republican_presidential_nomination-7548.html


It’s the base of both parties that choose who their nominee will be. Not all of America. What you have is around a quarter of all Americans choosing one candidate, another quarter chooses the other candidate leaving roughly half of America out of the equation. What neither party takes into consideration is in the general election, it’s all of America who decides who wins or loses. Not just each party’s base. So sure, most of Americans may not want Trump to run, most may not want Biden to run. But what most Americans want when choosing candidates for each major party is irrelevant. In our two-party monopolistic electoral system, one has little choice but to choose between two disliked and unwanted to become the next president candidates. One can vote third party to register one’s disdain or just stay home and say to hades with it. I don’t care who wins since I don’t want neither one to win. Our monopolistic system has us over a barrel.


I’m positive if we listed all the candidates on a single ballot regardless of party in a jungle primary with just the top two advancing to the general election, neither Trump nor Biden would be among them.

 

I don’t think so. Remember the 2018 midterms prior to COVID. Republicans took a whipping. Independents voted for Democratic congressional candidates by a 54-42 margin. Trump’s unfavorable rating among independent by year are as follows:

2017 58%

2018 60%

2019 57%

2020 60%

2021 59%

2022 60%

Today 58%. That about as consistent as one can get. History has shown folks usually won’t vote for someone they dislike. That is unless they dislike both major party candidates. Then it’s for the one they dislike the least as what happened in 2016. In 2020 60% of independents viewed Trump unfavorably, 48% viewed Biden unfavorably, Biden won independents 54-41 over Trump. I don’t think the unfavorable view independents had of Trump from 2016 on would have change one iota if COVID hadn’t happened.

 

Fine, no problem. My point is a lot of folks do. Those folks decide elections.

 

That's what freeom is all about. An no one knows... until AFTER the election.

 

He is mentally unstable because he has a problem with vaccines? It really looks like fear to me. Don't like him, don't vote for him. Simple.

 

Yes.

We all thought that about him and Jenny McCarthy before 2020. We weren't wrong.

I wouldn't trust a flat earther with power either.

 

The thing is, 3rd party candidates suck. If they really want to win then they should run people who don't suck. While over the last several years both Republican and Democratic candidates suck, the alternative candidates also suck. So, we aren't really offered a better choice. In fact, you could argue that the none of the above choice is no better than the Trumps or the Bidens or the Hillarys. That's why I'm looking forward to the No Labels choice. I believe Manchin will be the star power and top of the ticket, leaving a Republican for the VP choice. Since Larry Hogan has been very big in the No Labels thing, I'm guessing that it would be him.

 

With better information, reputation tracking, and clear identification of who is saying what. Propaganda outlets should be noted as such a d not be able to hide who they are, but should also not be forcibly silenced. Let them speak.

 

Some do. Less do. Some "liberals" still believe in free speech. Less do.

 

Because progress is good?

 

It does have some echoes of how Bernie was treated.

 

I think it was also very much him being guided by his ego rather than principles of any sort (in any political direction) and him thereby being easily manipulated and the nation being run by unelected people behind the scenes. This is actually more common in politicians than many people like to realize, but it turns them off very fast when they do.

 

I don’t think it’s so much the candidates. It’s lack of money. The two major parties owe their hearts and souls to corporations, wall street firms, lobbyist, special interest, super rich, mega individual money donors etc. You had Joe Biden raising and spending 1.6 billion dollars in 2020, Trump raised and spent 1.1 billion, in third place, poor little Jo Jorgensen who raised and spent less than 3 million dollars. You’re not going to make an impact being out spent 2.7 billion to less than 3 million.


https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race


That’s just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to third parties. Republicans and Democrats get automatic ballot access, third parties and independents must jump through tons of hoops just to get on the ballot. You also have total lack of media attention to any third-party candidate. Third party candidates aren’t included in the presidential debates and on and on.


It doesn’t matter if Hogan or no labels have the best candidate in the world, without money, no one will take notice. I’d say no labels needs at least a billion dollars if they’re to be competitive. Which isn’t going to happen.

 

RFK is the only sane Dem running for President. The others are demented or in other ways crazy.

 

Not Even CLOSE...
Bernie was a SERIOUS Candidate...
RFK Jr. ISN'T...

 

I wonder when dollars became more important than ideas in Presidential elections?