They need to tax the poor/middle class more!

And you know that how? Someone from CNN tell you?

 

IOW, you have to dismiss it because you have realized you can't refute it.

No it isn't. We know this absolutely for certain because most unfree societies have also been based on the ownership of property -- in privileges like slave deeds and land deeds. The society that most often topped lists of the freest for 50 years after WW II, Hong Kong, has had no private property in land for over 170 years. According to your philosophy, that is impossible. According to mine, it is inevitable. History has therefore already proved me right and you wrong.

A free society is based on security of individual rights -- including property in the fruits of one's labor -- and democratic accountability, not, as you claim, property in other people's rights to liberty.

<yawn> I have identified the relevant facts of objective physical reality and their logical implications. You are attempting to deflect because you have been comprehensively and conclusively refuted, you know it, and you have no answers. Simple.

 

You claimed capitalist governments do not kill their own citizens. Now you are disingenuously trying to change the subject to democracies, and pretend they are the same thing as capitalist governments. Sorry, not letting you get away with such a transparently disingenuous bait-and-switch.

 

this thread was about taxing those who use the most government services more. You want to piss and moan about capitalism and pretend it is just as genocidal as collectivist authoritarian states. The fact remains, the American federal tax system is more progressive now than it has been in decades and that is a major reason so many people are easily pandered to by the pimps in office. They don't have to pay for what the pimps promise them

 

False and you know it.

Yet somehow, you are unable to refute a single statement I have made...

Only if the forcible removal of their rights to liberty for the unearned profit of the privileged is not justly compensated.

I get it: you have realized that you have no facts or logic to offer, and therefore have no choice but to vomit disingenuous and despicable ad hominem filth.

No, on what you take from the community. It's democratically accountable government's legitimate function to represent the community.

Should everyone pay for the government that issues privileges to the privileged and creates their value, or mainly those who pocket the publicly created value of those privileges?

I already refuted that fallacious, absurd, and disingenuous garbage, remember? It's the guy who owns the land that is taking its value from the community, not the guy who has a vote. The guy who takes the gas is the one who should pay for it, not all the other guys walking by on the sidewalk.

GET IT???

 

you pretend that your opinions do all that. You keep braying that the top one percent use more of the government than they pay in the taxes. that's bullshit and we all know it. people paying no income taxes are getting their citizenship benefits subsidized by those of us pay 80% of the income tax

 

Try the top 0.1%.

The problem is sophisticated exploitation of loopholes, like offshore accounts and the creation of hundreds or even thousands of corporations for the purpose of shuffling and hiding assets.

"We conservatively estimate that increased enforcement to close the income tax gap for the top 1 percent could yield $175 billion in currently uncollected income tax revenue per year. To put that in perspective, this would be enough revenue to make permanent the $3,000 to $3,600 annual child allowance in the American Rescue Plan and then make it about 50 percent more generous.”

https://equitablegrowth.org/tax-eva...-u-s-income-distribution-and-how-to-fight-it/

 

And what happened to Hong Kong?

 

see you top about the top .1% but that rant is about the top one percent. the top one percent pays a higher ratio of the income tax compared to their share of the income than any other group. The top one percent is the most overtaxed group in the USA and the only group hit by the idiotic death tax

 

Pure nonaence. Your link is a loony LW screed.

 

One that has been proven and repeated by reliable sources, but you don’t seem to what to investigate it. Why?

Oh, and on what basis do you call it a “loony LW screed”? Is it because it exposes your error?

 

Beacause I've been hearing that nonsense for decades.

Nope, based on years of observing the same jabberwocky over and over. Fact is the top .1% pays about 16% of their taxable income, according to IRS data. The mysterious "off-shore account" meme has floated around for decades.

 

I guess you didn’t bother reading my linked data. Too many assumptions, huh? It says the top 0.1% takes advantages of opportunities to hide income in various specified ways so it isn’t taxed, and the amount, estimated by several sources, is enough to translate that 16% into 5 or 6%. But oh no, you don’t think anyone would do that!

Why do you want to turn a blind eye to it?

 

Oh, no I read it; as I've said I've read the same stuff for decades.

Because it's highly slanted LW mantras.

 

You are aware of the fact that I have said no such thing, and oppose income tax. And top 1% of what?

Because the super-duper uber-rich making even more than that are taxed less.

Top 1% of what?

 

It's well known to anyone who is even slightly informed on the subject (i.e., not you):

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/ta...-almost-no-income-taxes-report-finds-n1270069

https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/brie...deral-individual-income-tax-rate-of-just-8-2/

https://www.propublica.org/article/...ds-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax

And lots more. Not that you will read even a single one of them...

 

And I proved that they are already paying landowners full market value just for permission to access those services. People pay for desirable public services and infrastructure twice -- once in taxes to fund them, then again in rent to landowners for permission to access the exact same services and infrastructure their taxes just paid for -- so that landowners can pocket one of the payments (net of the land value portion of property taxes) in return for doing and contributing exactly nothing. THAT'S WHY LAND COSTS SO MUCH: it entitles its owner to pocket the subsidy.

I have stated that it is, on average, half as murderous as socialism, and much less than that when moderated by democratically accountable government.

Oh, really? Then why do the super-duper uber-rich pay so little tax? How is it that their share of the wealth and income continues to skyrocket?

It is the greedy, privileged, parasitic, super-duper uber-rich who are pandered to by the pimps in office, and I will thank you to remember it.

 

I have identified the relevant facts of objective physical reality and their inescapable logical implications.

No, I have identified the fact that those who do use desirable public services and infrastructure are already paying landowners full market value just for permission to do so, as the Henry George Theorem shows. The top 1% own -- or own the corporations that own -- most of the relevant land.

It is a fact. Google "Henry George Theorem" and start reading.

No, they already have to pay landowners for permission to access those benefits. You just want to make them pay twice so that landowners can pocket one of the payments in return for doing and contributing exactly nothing.

 

Britain had to give it back to China in 1997 under the terms of the original concession. Obviously you are not aware of even the most basic historical facts.

 

Where there’s that much smoke, there has to be fire.

 

Not when they're trying to blow it up their readers butt's.

 

Then why would I have asked that particular question? Hint: to elicit this exact response.

 

Probably true, since I'm not interested in any further discuss with you, I see no need to read nonsensical crap from you.

 

You have been comprehensively and conclusively demolished, you know it, and you have no answers. Simple. It's always the same.

 

you constantly claim your opinion wins arguments and I just don't see that as being other than specious bullshit. You want taxes to be a certain way. that prove s nothing.