Thieving Israeli soldiers not prosecuted

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    99% are Israelis.

    and they do not discount the expertise of the many more experts who disagree with them.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    It is your opinion.

    They do. I provided many videos of lectures that alot of those international law experts gave, and they discount the people that say that Judea and Samaria is "occupied" and all that.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    more international experts, say you are wrong.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    So now we are playing the game "who has more"? It is like the game "who has bigger ****".

    Do you know that not all tall guys are necessarily can be basketball players? (if you didnt get it- it is a metaphor)
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what the (*)(*)(*)(*) does that have to do with the Israel/Palestine conflict?

    please stay on topic.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    I'm staying on topic.

    It was a metaphor about what you wrote. You know what is a metaphor, right?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that wasn't a metaphor.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    It was a metaphor. You just probably didnt get the metaphor so you made excuses for yourself that it isnt one.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I made what??
     
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    excuses.
     
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    "It is in contradicting to Article 80 of the UN Charter that protects the document of the Mandate."
    "After all the UN didnt terminated the document of the Mandate, but only the British Mandate."
    Article 80 says nothing can be done to alter the rights of people or states under agreements like mandates until agreements concluded(as already established numerous times the mandate ending in May 15 1948 with Israel a Jewish state in Palestine proclaimed May 14 1948 ) . Again you are making stuff up. You also never refuted Ronstar's point that
    "There is not one single legitimate and credible historian who says the Mandate for Palestine is not concluded or fulfilled into all the land from the river to the sea is part of Israel.
    not one."
    Rostow, Stone, and others you cited aren't historians. They are experts in international law which is not the same. Again you cited experts that are the minority in their field.


    "You've already given the source that shows that the Brits gave the responsibility to the UN. "
    They referred the problem to UN(they never transferred mandate to UN they asked UN to recommend solution of how to achieve independence for Palestine that both Jews and Arabs could agree on) since the British couldn't find a solution for independence that fit Jewish and Arab sides(basically the Arabs wanted all of Palestine to be independent and the Jews wanted a Jewish state in some of Palestine or delaying independence with unlimited immigration and settlement until they reach majority in Palestine since understandably they didn't want all of Palestine to be independent since they would have been a minority(this was just after holocaust with one of the major Palestinian leader at the time Haj Amin Al Hussein who during WW2 collaborated with the Nazis and recruit Bosnian Muslims into the SS ) in Arab majority state, . Again this is from British official announcement of mandate ending with document called "Palestine:termination of the mandate 15 May 1948".
    "Both the Jews and the Arabs of Palestine refuse to discuss it and, after negotiations with representatives of Arab States and informal conversations with the Jewish Agency, His Majesty's Government produced, in February 1947, a modified plan for a five-year trusteeship of Palestine on a cantonal basis as a preliminary to independence. This, too, was rejected by both Arabs and Jews, who had each put forward proposals of their own; the Arabs, for an independent Palestine with a permanent Arab majority; the Jews, for a Jewish Palestine or, if Palestine could not yet be granted independence, for unrestricted Jewish immigration and settlement throughout Palestine, or, as a last resort, for a viable Jewish State in an adequate area of Palestine. Neither Arabs nor Jews would consider the others' proposals."
    V. The Problem Referred to the United Nations
    After the failure of these discussions, His Majesty's Government decided that the only course now open to them was to submit the problem to the judgment of the United Nations, asking that body to recommend a solution. "

    So again for like the 3rd time show me a source that says mandate document was transferred to UN, and stop making stuff up.
     
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    I'm not making stuff up. It is all according to history.
    The document of the Mandate didnt end in May 1948 because no one had ended it, but it was the British Mandate that ended (those are those different things).


    The document of the Mandate is an international document that it's validity is protected by the international law, hence international law exeprts say if the document of the Mandate is still valid, and I showed you numerous of times that international law experts said that it didnt end.

    The British didnt need to "find a solution", but the whole porpuse of their existance in "Palestine", was to fulfill the document of the Mandate, and since they didnt and couldnt fulfill what was written in the Mandate, then they trasferred the responsibility to the UN, so they would will have the responsibility to fulfill the document of the Mandate.

    Right, the British Mandate ended in May 15th, 1948, but not the document of the Mandate. The responsibility over the document of the Mandate was trasfered to the UN.

    You already did it.
    I would never make things up. It is all according to history.
     
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    but no history books say this. That means its not true.

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    History shows that the Mandate for Palestine was fulfilled when Israel was accepted by the UN as a member state in 1949.
     
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    History books say that the responsibility over the document of the Mandate was trasferred to the UN.

    - - - Updated - - -

    The document of the Mandate is an international document that it's validity is protected by the international law, hence international law exeprts say if the document of the Mandate is still valid, and I showed you numerous of times that international law experts said that it didnt end.
     
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    the international experts say that the Mandate was concluded and expired in 1948 and especially in 1949 when Israel was accepted as a UN member.
     
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    And that's in contradiction to history, that says that the responsibility over the document of the Madnate was trasferred to the UN, and which the UN hasnt concluded it in any way, thus the document of the Mandate is still valid thanks to Article 80 of the UN Charter that protects the rights that were granted there to the Jews over "Palestine".
     
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    History shows that the Mandate for Palestine was fulfilled when Israel was founded.

    This is what the real historians and history experts say.
     
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    Not quite. history says that the responsibility over the document of the Madnate was trasferred to the UN, and which the UN hasnt concluded it in any way, thus the document of the Mandate is still valid thanks to Article 80 of the UN Charter that protects the rights that were granted there to the Jews over "Palestine".
     
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    actually, all history books show that the Mandate for Palestine was concluded & fulfilled by the UN.
     
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    As I already told you:
    The document of the Mandate is an international document that it's validity is protected by the international law, hence international law exeprts say if the document of the Mandate is still valid, and I showed you numerous of times that international law experts said that it didnt end.
     
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    you're wrong. the history experts disagree with you.
     
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    Again for the millionth time show me a single source that says mandate document was transferred to UN you also still have not cited one historian an international law expert is not an historian ie someone that has gone to school and received a degree in history not law you keep completely ignoring that. All I'm asking you to do is quote a source saying that.
     
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    Not really.
     
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    You've already gave a source that spesify that the Brits transferred responsibility to the UN.

    As I already wrote:
    The document of the Mandate is an international document that it's validity is protected by the international law, hence international law exeprts say if the document of the Mandate is still valid, and I showed you numerous of times that international law experts said that it didnt end.
     

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