Thirteen-year-old girl is forced to give birth under Mississippi abortion ban

Exactly so. Both parties keep passing laws that extend the size and scope of government. These threads always spin off into a defense of the two party dichotomy which is sad.

 

If the states can strip it, it’s not a right. Republican justices don’t believe in the 9th.

 

You have to get more specific than that, as there is plenty of opportunity for even greater redundancy than we have today.

Also, if one right requires a separate amendment, then it easily could be inferred that other rights don't exist unless THEY get to be amendments.

 

So is abortion for underaged girls who get raped.

That doesn't mean it is available.

 

BS, red states are using social media and pressuring doctors to inform them of people going out of state for abortions.

 

Honestly, I'm not needing an abortion. Those who have a hard on for this topic have had a half century to work out a decent amendment but have used their time to bitch instead.

 

They'd never come up with a decent law. They want the whole enchilada, abortion-on-demand at any point in the pregnancy for any reason, no apologies.
They're even less likely to come up with a reasonable law that considers various nuances than the most radical Lifers.

 

It's absolutely true that Republicans have had a hard on for denying women personal body autonomy.

This idea of having prosecutors and legislator make healthcare decisions for doctors is about the worst possible idea that someone could possibly dream up.

 

It's called personal bodily autonomy.

It is HER body, not yours, not the legislature's, not the prosecutor's and not anyone else's body.

 

wow -social media. OH THE DRAMA. Guess what-a state cannot do a damn thing about someone going to a legal abortion state to get an abortion

 

does a fetus have any personal bodily autonomy at any stage of its life

 

Something tells me Mississippi will beg to differ.

We have already discussed the legal mechanics in other threads, so I will not waste people's time or derail this thread by discussing that here.

 

Yes. Healthcare authority resides with the woman until age of consent.

 

Read the OP.

The parents of the victim of rape couldn't afford to travel for an abortion in a different state.

Excusing Mississippi on the grounds that those with money can escape that state is just SHOCKINGLY hypocritical.

Besides, this is Republican policy EVERYWHERE. What Republicans are after is requiring women to escape AMERICA.

 

that's nonsensical. some republicans actually believe that human life should not be ended. Some are probably religious extremists.

 

Using religion as a justification for imposing law on those who don't share that belief is exactly what our first amendment was written to PREVENT.

Our founders were VERY aware of this problem, as they were in the process of attempting to create a religiously PLURAL nation from the disparate beliefs that existed.

On top of that, these Republican laws are doing real damage to women's healthcare - as noted numerous times.

Today, Christians are NOT united on this issue.

 

Your notion that can just go out of state is incorrect, some states are starting to pursue those.

 

Did you even really think about what you wrote?

Since the girl is 13, do you think she has reached the age of consent?

Or do you want one human being who cannot give consent to make the decision for another human being who cannot give consent?

 

True.

Plus, Texas Republicans (and others?) are allowing citizens to sue other citizens if they helped someone get an abortion - regardless of where the abortion was obtained. They WANT a citizen v citizen war on abortion.

 

I think abortion is a citizen v citizen war.


(and yes, citizenship does plausibly began before birth. Some people are too stupid to correctly understand the Constitution and wrongly think the requirements outlined in the 14th Amendment are necessary for citizenship, when in reality the amendment did not take citizenship away from anyone)

 

do you admit that a fetus is a living entity? While I support legal abortion, I concede that many people honestly oppose ending innocent life. I also admit some opponents of abortion want to punish women for having sex.

 

You don't have to live in Mississippi if you don't agree.

And also, your opinions are not facts.

 

You're conflating two things.

Abortion is not a federally protected right.

 

OK, I'm going to ignore your personal religious beliefs about fetuses. Moving beyond that:

Age of consent is not 13. As I pointed out, at that age the mother (or legal guardian) has healthcare decision making authority, as she has always had.

Plus, doctors will not perform an abortion on a girl who doesn't want it, no matter what the healthcare decision maker directs. There are strong standards on patients refusing procedures of ALL types.

As far as I've ever heard, doctors won't even perform a pelvic exam on a girl who refuses, regardless of age - let alone an abortion.

 

If you think I misidentified something as fact, they you need to point that out.