This blind unreasoned hatred of the President needs to stop now

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by logical1, Aug 26, 2017.

  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    False. Nowhere did it - or any article of which I am aware - paint every Trump voter as a white supremacist. Many are not.

    Just because white supremacists support Trump does not make every Trump supporter a white supremacist.

    The cry baby's chronic inability to admit to fault and his need to blame others for his failures need not evoke such fake generalities.
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh? Were there right-wing goon squads beating up Obama supporters all across the country? Were right-wingers burning down neighborhoods to prevent leftists from speaking in public? Was the national news telling hateful lies about Obama every day? Was Obama being murdered in effigy by famous entertainers? Were famous people fantasizing Obama's murder?

    I'm sorry, I missed all that. You're right.

    Go Antifa! Go! Fight! Win!
    Go beat the crap out of anyone you want to. Just be sure to call them a Nazi first; for the sake of justice.
     
  3. Thought Criminal

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    That would be the left remember? Like when an unkind word toward an Obama policy was racist?

    When did beating up people and destroying businesses become "criticism"? For that matter, when did nonstop smear campaigns become "criticism"? I know that the meanings of words constantly evolve, but I missed that one.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Never say never....there is truth in that. At the same time, you can't judge a Presidents success just by the 1st 7 months.
     
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    we'll stop hating Trump when you guys admit Obama was born in the USA and is a Christian.
     
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  6. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    LOL

    You'll never stop. The only way you'll stop is if you get new orders to stop.

    And you'll never get those orders.
     
  7. Greenleft

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    I disagree. My disagreement aside however, that is a bad argument to make because it insulates the President (and governors) from criticism.

    If I were American and complained that I could not find a job and the President promised me a job, I'd be told that that's not in his power or blame would be diverted to other people like the Democrats and establishment Republicans in them creating counter-conditions that prevents peace and prosperity.

    That's a convenient excuse for a president who made such big promises of a bright future and then bears no responsibility if that bright future is not realized.
     
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    No you wouldn't. We already know about your promises in regards to the forum.
     
  9. rcfoolinca288

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    Why did he Trump claimed not to know anything about David Duke.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-david-duke-amnesia/

    Tapper: OK. I mean, I’m just talking about David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan here, but…

    Trump: I don’t know any — honestly, I don’t know David Duke. I don’t believe I have ever met him. I’m pretty sure I didn’t meet him. And I just don’t know anything about him.
     
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    Yeah lock em up. Shoot them. Gas 'em all. Those people who do not love Big Donald must die!
     
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    The lying from Trump's supporters is now breathtaking. The pretence that there was no personal attack on President Obama. That there were polite discussions of his policies over tea.
     
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    Here's the thing about Trump and the media. I don't care what he says. It's all about them. They've lied so much, so often, that if they say something, I automatically believe it's a lie, or at the very least, a distortion of the truth.

    We have to always be skeptical of what anybody in politics says. Shading the truth is part of their game. On the other hand, we must demand truth from our news reporters. When they push their own agenda, we all lose.
     
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    The network news reporters attacked him? Are you sure? Are you sure they didn't worship at his feet?
     
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    I guess Fox news was just a fantasy ...
    WTF.
     
  15. rcfoolinca288

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    Why you just come out and say you don't care that he lied. And the reason that he lied is that he have a big ego, and wanted Duke's support. Political expediency.
     
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    WOW! One network... Yeah, yeah, and talk radio too. All of the rest were in the tank for him.

    Hey, thanks for quoting one of my posts. I was thinking that I was on your ignore list.
     
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    Because I don't believe it. I think the truth is in between there somewhere. I think there is a way to look at it where Trumps version is closer to the substance of the truth than the news media's manipulation of facts.
     
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  18. rcfoolinca288

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    It came straight from his mouth. What is there not to understand or believe?
     
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    Be careful challenging Thought Criminal lest you commit a thoughtcrime.

    Re-writing history is the mark of authoritarians like Trump. Remember Obama was born in Kenya. Then he wasn't. Who was it that started the rumour? Why Hilary of course!

    The re-writing of history is the currency of the current President and his base, no matter what Orwellian clothes they wear to deceive us. The attack on truth and history was described very well by Orwell :

    The Party said that Oceania had never been in alliance with Eurasia. He, Winston Smith, knew that Oceania had
    been in alliance with Eurasia as short a time as four years ago. But where did that knowledge exist? Only in his own
    consciousness, which in any case must soon be annihilated. And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed — if all records told the same tale — then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past,' ran the
    Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And yet the past, though of its nature al-
    terable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All
    that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. 'Reality control', they called it: in New-
    speak, 'doublethink'.

    The evil that we face today should not be under-estimated.
     
  20. Thought Criminal

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    Just like he defended white-nationalists straight from his mouth too. Right.
     
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    I've thought an ignore list was a bit of a cowardly way to go - besides you are a fairly reasonable person ... For a conservative
     
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    Wouldn't we all be better off if we had news reportage which was honest? If we all knew what was actual truth, we wouldn't be so dependant on our guesses at the truth. We could actually make decisions which have bases in reality.
     
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    Going all fascist on the antifascists achieves what exactly?
     
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    Wow....did you hurt your mouth coming up with such a gigantic strawman?? Funny how Trump supporters always have to find ways to "interpret" what Trump say. R.I.D.I.C.U.L.O.U.S.

    Here it is again from Trump's own mouth.

    Here he is in 2000:

    Lauer, Feb. 14, 2000: When you say the party is self-destructing, what do you see as the biggest problem with the Reform Party right now?

    Trump: Well, you’ve got David Duke just joined — a bigot, a racist, a problem. I mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your party. Buchanan’s a disaster as we’ve, you know, covered. Jesse’s a terrific guy who just left the party. And he, you know, it’s unfortunate, but he just left the party. He’s going to be doing his Independence Party from Minnesota.


    And here he is during his campaign.

    Tapper: OK. I mean, I’m just talking about David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan here, but…

    Trump: I don’t know any — honestly, I don’t know David Duke. I don’t believe I have ever met him. I’m pretty sure I didn’t meet him. And I just don’t know anything about him.


    If you think that is Media "manipulation" of what Trump said, then you are delusional.
     
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    Sorry, that is not proof, that's only connect-the-dots in the way you want them to connect.

    He says he doesn't know him, not that he doesn't know of him. Those are two completely different things.
     
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