This did not come about by chance...

My first goal is to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The foundation of the CHristian faith begins at the beginning. By claiming that God's Word is only partially true, then it can be easily assumed to be all false, a god invented by man. (Revelation 3:16)

 

The opposition has nothing to do with the president' skin color, but rather his ideology in regards to what has made this nation great!

Having been a boomer, I see the predisent's ideology as tearing down the fabric of America based on ideology and not in bringing together those of all races & beliefs.

If a 'liberal' or progressive' cant see that then they are blinded by a ideology!

Is the 'honest' Christian being devout to other proofs of God as opposed to the doctrine and dogma of men? What is most important---the miracles of faith (as I have experienced) or a doctrine of men that doesnt save souls.

 

When one interprets scripture, well, the various interpretations have given rise to hundreds and hundreds of Christian sects. For they didn't agree with the other's interpretation of god's word. Yet each firmly believe their own interpretation is the only correct one. We see where this leads, right?


If scripture could only be interpreted in your way, your sect would be the only sect. But that simply isn't the case. So, how to reconcile this? It will not be done with you maintaining yours is the only right one, while the others are utterly wrong. The way the bible is written creates division. Which is the reason Christ said to look within for the kingdom. For if you find it, you will not rely upon a legalistic religion to guide your life. And you will not divide yourself from others who are using that book as some legal document. That was the Gospel, the good news, for once a person finds that kingdom of god within, all learning is then accomplished directly, straight from the Source, without having to rely upon a book that has man's finger prints all over it, and which has been translated in more ways than just one.

And if this is not done, then Christianity will always consist of hundreds of sects who will not agree with the other. With each one believing, only their sect is correct. Can you not see the absurdity involved in this, and which you willingly partiscipate?

 

Who designed the designer?

 

It is a conundrum isn't it?

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If He needed a designer He wouldn't be God.

 

If Nature needed a designer, He wouldn't be God either.

 

It is the reality that has no cause. That is what some philosophers would say and have said. It must be therefore timeless, immeasurable, unfathomable. But apparently extremely intelligent and powerful. Or it doesn't exist and is just a product of thought. You might find out the truth when you die, or then again, you might not find out anything. LOL I wouldn't rush off to find out the truth though.....just in case there is nothing there.

 

Is your god Nature?

 

- Humans do not have an answer for abiogenesis. When we don't know, we should say "We don't know" not "God did it".

- the point of the coin flipping exercise was to demonstrate that the odds have to include the total number of times coins are flipped in the entire universe, NOT just earth, and across all time, not just the time that earth has existed. It's tempting to look at odds of a sequence on earth alone and be astonished at the size of the number. But, one has to include the fact that this experiment has been going on for billions of years on gigantic numbers of planets in the universe - NOT just on earth.

- there certainly are organizing principles. Gravity. Nuclear forces. Survival of the fittest. The list goes on. There are a good number of organizing forces.

- Your suggestion that biologists don't know math is just part of the standard religious mantra that science is to be disdained in its stupidity. Sorry. You are astoundingly wrong here. And, it's incredibly important for America to learn just how amazingly ignorant that statement is. I do not know how to possibly emphasize this enough.

- Yes, the "ET did it" idea doesn't cut it. It's just a proposal for a transport mechanism, not for an abiogenesis mechanism. I suppose it shows that progress in different places could come together even across the barrier of space, but that hardly seems like what is being proposed when people say "ET did it".

- Again, your final couple sentences merely show that when we don't know something, you want to claim "God did it" rather that to simply acknowledge that we haven't figured something out yet. This is just sloppy thinking. There is no logic to it. At one time humans didn't know how the sun moved, so they said "God did it". This technique of "logic" has gotten no better.

 

OP please read this page, particularly the "examples" section:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/genalg/genalg.html

Genetic algorithms when used in engineering can often evolve better designs than complex machines designed by experts! Even tough no intelligent design was involved in the process. You do not need a designer to create an advanced machine. Mutation and selection can do it, too. It is a fascinating topic.

 

That didn't make sense to me. If nature is designed it would need a designer. If nature is not designed but just happened, a quirk, then anything we say is nothing more than a quirk as well. Even science is a quirk, completely meaningless. So what we all say is utter meaningless babble. I am ok with my own babble, as long as you see yourself as babbling as well. Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

 

Sounds like there is coherence in genetic algorithms. Why not incoherence? Why coherence in genetic algorithms? Someone would just say the coherence is there because of intelligence operating. For if it were not operating all you get is incoherence, with a probability every now and then for a random chance coherence. What would the probability be? Something like needed for spontaneous generation? If so we are traveling in circles here.

 

Sort of like saying "nothing exploded to form everything"?

Life is only ON Earth. So yes just Earth is in the mix.

Where did those Laws come from? Where else does science demonstrate organization from an explosion?

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Give an example, but not from an evolution apologist website.

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Except I don't believe we are here by chance.

 

There does appear to be connection to some biblical passages, some others as well, from sumer, and earlier religions.

 

This was a question posed in a physics class of mine many moons ago.
If one were to bounce a ball at a wall and could do it for infinity. And we assume the ball and wall doesn't deteriorate. At some point would all the atoms and molecules align such that the ball went thru the wall?
An infinitesimally small chance, but at some point all the random orbiting atoms would align.

 

Eternal loop.

 

And that's the point: selection does not require intelligence, any more than randomness requires intelligence. Natural selection requires only a unit upon which to operate.

 

The "life is only on earth" argument is just silly.

==>> It's pretty darn obvious that we would be on a planet where life began. Being on a planet where life DIDN'T begin would be highly unlikely. Right?

So, we must consider every planet in the universe for the billions of years where planets have existed.

Let's do a little math on that:

There are between 100 and 200 billion galaxies in the observable universe.
Our galaxy (Milky Way) has about 300 billion stars, but it is larger than average, which is about 100 billion stars.
We observe that the average number of planets per star is about 2.5.

So, do a little multiplication and you find that there are about 2,500,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets in the universe. Some percentage of those are within the region where earth-like life could survive.


When you say the odds are large, you need to remember that stupendously gigantic numbers of planets have been working on this problem for BILLIONS of years.

 

Selection by it's definition requires someone/some intelligence to do the selecting, otherwise it is not selection but chance.

 

You can not include the other googolplex stars in the universe in the equation. Since the product of the equation is life on Earth. "Flipping a coin" on Vulcan does not change anything on Earth.

The odds of life from a mud puddle are infinitesimally small, beyond possibility. Then to have the nanomachines depicted in the videos developed let alone functioning by chance would be to have a blind faith in evolution, which is the case.

 

No, the "big bang" provided matter, physics and energy from which natural process created what we see today.

Atoms condensed. Gravity bunched matter and started nuclear reactions. Etc.

The "big bang" is VERY different from earthly explosions. Earthly explosions come from chemical or nuclear reactions of elements. That is NOT what happened at the time of the "big bang".

 

And is still this 'gospel,' according to 'man.' Where is the higher ground?

Faith in what or who? What has the 'civilized' to offer?!

Is enuf known to discredit thousands of years of history?!

 

Where did the matter come from? Where did the atoms come from? Where did the gravity come from? How was the big bang different? Answer these without using faith.

 

Sorry, you don't get to say that.

Gigantic numbers of planets with earth-like characteristics have existed for billions of years. A sentient life form appeared on one of them. That sentient life form doesn't get to say that the odds of sentient life in the universe were limited to the odds of it starting on that one planet.

That is the problem with your "flipping coins on Vulcan" idea, too. The issue wasn't about changing the odds on earth, like you hoped.

The question is about life starting in the universe. Wherever it starts, those sentient beings are going to see their own planet as "home".

As luck would have it, life started on this planet. So, many here see the whole universe as being all about earth. But, there could be some sentient being with mediocre intellect living on some planet in the Andromeda galexy right now, thinking the whole universe is about THAT planet. And, THAT idiot is wrong, too.

 

You have to understand that just you saying something is true does not make it so. Prove earth-like planets exist.