This did not come about by chance...

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  1. WillReadmore

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    You can only calculate probabilities if you have a well defined state space. There simply does not exist enough information to properly calculate any probabilities when it comes to life.
     
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    Plus, we had billions of years as well as billions of earths carrying out this experiment.

    And, NaturalBorn has shown no citation for his numbers game.
     
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    And odds are, this earth isn't the only planet to have formed life, intelligent or other.
     
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    How can we know Eve didn't have blonde hair and blue eyes?

    The different sects may make up their own stories but the Bible is unambiguous.
     
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    We don't know how life started.

    It is YOU who is trying to prove that it COULDN'T have started without an all powerful magic being, because the odds are just too far against it.

    => So, cite something that actually shows the construction of this argument.

    Your "explosion" comment is just plain stupid. All a bomb does is rearrange matter, which is then free to combine to form trees (from co2), etc. Nobody claimed that the big bang (or bombs) create order. The order came from the physical laws and the presence of disordered matter. Atoms condensed in ways physicists study. We had suns condensing and igniting in nuclear reactions started by gravity. We had the surrounding matter ejected or aggregating into planets. etc.
     
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    Verified by 1000s of version of christianity.
     
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    Actually the probability is greater than my example. "Anything beyond 1:10<25 is impossible."

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    What does that mean?
     
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    So 9 pages in and still no further evidence of evolution or some designer that has been existent for infinity.
     
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    What exactly is the probability of an infinite being existing infinitely? My guess, which is a good as yours is 1:10^26.

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    Surely you gest.

    un·am·big·u·ous adjective \&#716;&#601;n-am-&#712;bi-gy&#601;-w&#601;s\
    : clearly expressed or understood : not ambiguous
     
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    We can look at the dna evidence of early man. We know how to find the genes for traits we see today. We know how inheritance works.

    The Genesis story in the bible is clearly an allegory. There just isn't any question about that. Where did the people of Nod come from? Why are there two distinct orders of creation mentioned? What could possibly be important about the "tree of life" and the "tree of knowledge of good and evil" if they were just physical trees? No human witnessed creation, so by what process was the story brought to us, and why? Was it simply a matter of God being proud of his creation and just having to tell someone? Was it a matter of him guessing we might be really really curious? No, the story has critical allegorical meaning that transcends the need for man to know about the universe before it fully existed. The important factors included an understanding of human nature, of original sin, and f man's relationship to God, etc.

    Trying to make Genesis a factual documentary on how we got here does great damage to the reason for Genesis to exist.
     
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    An exciting possibility to be sure.

    Of course, they would likely be far too far away for us to communicate with even if we could detect their existence. After all, if they are a thousand light years away, it would take us centuries to simply get through the pleasantries - Hi <wait 2 thousand years> Well,back at you, Earthling, how about them Shehawks? Then, "Did you mean Seahawks?" <wait 2 thousand years> ...

    But, still ...
     
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    The existence of God can not be disproved.
    I stated that the Bible is unambiguous (in what is written). How it is embellished is what some men do for their own reasons.
     
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    We have no way to know the DNA of Adam or of early man.
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    If this was true we would not be having this discussion. Pwn

    Descendants of Adam.

    There aren't. One account is the general account of the days, the other goes into deeper discussion, just like historical accounts or scientific abstracts.


    I don't know.

    No human witnessed the big bang either, yet look at the number of people that believe that is a fact and not a fairy tale.

    You answered your own question.

    How so?
     
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    That is exactly what I proved to you.
    1) The odds of it being an intelligent designer is at best the odds of evolution.
    2) The odds of it being this specific designer you call the jewish god goes even further out.


    I stated that the Bible is unambiguous (in what is written). How it is embellished is what some men do for their own reasons.

    If it is unambiguous, wise folks would see that some men have embellished it. Yet RC is the largest of the embellished religions.
    So no, it isn't unambiguous.
     
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    Do you agree that there is scientific evidence of information contained in DNA?

    RC is a bastardization of the Christian religion, and is often not included as a Christian sect.
     
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    I really have no idea. But from what I know, DNA is the building block of life.

    And all other christian religions are an offshoot.
    But tell that to the 100s of millions of RCs around the world.
     
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    Did you watch the videos? There is your answer.

    That is according to them, but it isn't probable or likely.

    The RC only keep nine of the ten commandments for starters. They worship the pope, and believe he can forgive their sins, all heresy.
     
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    If there is scientific evidence in DNA, what is it proving?
     
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    There is evidence of information within every cell.
     
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    Ergo..............a 'design plan'

    de·sign

    1.
    a. To conceive or fashion in the mind; invent: design a good excuse for not attending the conference.
    b. To formulate a plan for; devise: designed a marketing strategy for the new product.
    2. To make a graphic or schematic representation of (something), especially as a plan for its structure: design a building on a computer; design a new car model.
    3. To create or contrive for a particular purpose or effect: a game designed to appeal to all ages.
    4. To have as a goal or purpose; intend:
     
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    I believe in intelligent design i.e GOD....the same arguments will continue on and on. When all is said and done it's simply a matter of faith. And I'm cool with that.
     
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    I just can not logically come to any other conclusion given the evidence.
     
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    Scripture talks about "saving faith," not saving know-it-all.
     
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