This is what American wants

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  1. Balto

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    Most Americans believe in the right to bear arms. Just not an AK47.
    Most Americans want better healthcare. And would be willing to pay a higher tax for it.
    Most Americans don’t believe in P.C. But believe in empathy and decency.

    Joe Biden was not my first choice, and Donald Trump is certainly (or should be) everyone’s last choice. This is the sentiment of most Americans in this country. Decency and empathy are not examples of being politically correct. Just like Trump doesn’t need Twitter to get messages out to the people. He can go to the media—like presidents before him, and talk about it, but that would require a backbone and a set of vertebrae.

    In order for America to begin to heal, we cannot have such brashness at the top. Anyone would agree being a bully isn’t being politically incorrect. Obama wasn’t being politically correct, neither was Bush. They were respectful, empathic, kind, that’s what most Americans want most of all. They don’t want a bully in charge just to just to justify that he is “unfiltered.” Maybe it is time for us to step back and elect a fresh breath of decency and empathy. That is the only way our country can begin to heal. Notice how I didn’t have to resort to 5th grade antics to prove my point.

    That is the reason Biden is the choice to vote for come November 3rd. He wasn’t Americans first choice, but he is not Americans last choice either. I voted for an independent in the primaries, I voted for Bernie, so I never was for Biden, but in the end, I know our country won’t begin to heal if we re-elect the brashness that led to its divide in the first place. Biden is the choice for ourselves, for our kids, for our communities, especially as we come out of a pandemic.
     
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    Automatic rifles are already against the law, except when Obama wants cartels to have them.
    Most Americans don't understand that "free health care" = "pitiful health care".
     
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    Well, after reading it a few times, you really didn't prove a point other then American like guns, WORKING people don't mind paying higher tax for their health care and most people care about ability to understand and share the feelings of another and conforms to accepted standards of morality or respectability..

    And que the riots and gimmie-gimmie-free culture.. I think the 5th grade stuff is generally better then this...
     
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    Really? And where is there 'pitiful' healthcare? Canada? Are you still believing the lies that have been spread about the Canadian system by US insurance companies? Why was Canadian covid deaths 21 per 100,000 versus American, 34 per 100,000?
    https://www.upworthy.com/health-insurance-industry-lies-about-canadian-health-care
     
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    COVID spread has nothing to do with the quality of health care, lol. It's not like Canada has a vaccine or miracle cure and we don't. Poor argument.

    No, the health care becomes pitiful when you mess with the market to the point that you stifle innovation and dissuade the best and brightest from becoming doctors because there's no risk/reward system.
     
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    The point was in the way the OP was written.

    I didn’t have to resort to name calling (hence the 5th grade antics) in referring to Trump. I’m not a Democrat or Republican, I’m a libertarian but I can see that Trump is weak. When he feels he has to either generalize a demographic or nickname opponents, that’s not an example of someone who wishes to heal the divide in this country.

    All the riots prove is that man is capable of destruction when emotion goes awry. And the “gimme, gimme” culture really isn’t that. Most countries have some lower form of tuition if it isn’t free of cost, and healthcare is a guarantee in some countries. For one to wish to see America do better in education and healthcare, and level the playing field, isn’t simply a plea for handouts. We all should want that.
     
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    silly damn question. A. Lower population density, the same reason Helena Montana had a lower death toll than NYC. B. People don't tend to go out much on the Canadian winter months, not without full winter gear which makes a surgical mask and gloves look like a bikini in terms of coverage. C. There wasn't a half million half wits poo pooing every cure their leader mentioned so they weren't fighting with one hand tied behind their backs while waiting for an expensive cure while there was a cheap one already available.
     
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    Hmmmm. Most of Canada has the same climate as NYC. So I don't think you can play the weather card on that one.
     
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    Better healthcare for some; no healthcare for some. Sounds like a caste society.
     
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    This time around the choice is more jobs and restoration of rule of law --OR-- more mobs, more chaos, expanding riots, more violence.

    It's an exceedingly simple choice this time.
     
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    If people have better/easier/cheaper access to healthcare, they are generally healthier. That's why I made the point about Canada's healthcare system playing a role in Covid. Lots of sources out there to read on that issue, including the link I previously offered.

    So are you suggesting that Canada has pitiful healthcare? They don't have innovation or good doctors?
     
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    https://www.city-journal.org/html/ugly-truth-about-canadian-health-care-13032.html
     
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    Thank you for the link. From the article you offered:
    But if Canadians are looking to the United States for the care they need, Americans, ironically, are increasingly looking north for a viable health-care model. There’s no question that American health care, a mixture of private insurance and public programs, is a mess. Over the last five years, health-insurance premiums have more than doubled, leaving firms like General Motors on the brink of bankruptcy. Expensive health care has also hit workers in the pocketbook: it’s one of the reasons that median family income fell between 2000 and 2005 (despite a rise in overall labor costs). Health spending has surged past 16 percent of GDP. The number of uninsured Americans has risen, and even the insured seem dissatisfied. So it’s not surprising that some Americans think that solving the nation’s health-care woes may require adopting a Canadian-style single-payer system, in which the government finances and provides the care. Canadians, the seductive single-payer tune goes, not only spend less on health care; their health outcomes are better, too—life expectancy is longer, infant mortality lower.

    As for the first part of the article, you are aware that the government funded system doesn't provide prescription drug coverage, right? For that, people rely upon employer provided healthcare benefits. And when a drug is not covered, most Canadians access a provincial government funded program that pays for expensive drugs that citizens can't afford.
     
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    Well this is a new look for you, give me time to adjust ;)
     
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    None of the three assertions are true.
     
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    Let's unpack this a bit. Canada, with it's version of socialized medicine, places caps on prices for drugs and procedures. This does two things:
    1) It drives Americans north who don't have an emergency and want to take advantage of the price caps.
    2) It drives Canadians south who have an emergency, and don't want to wait 6 months for treatment.

    This is basic economics.
     
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    A couple of corrections are in order. The vast majority of Americans are completely satisfied with their insurance and healthcare. Dissatisfaction has risen the past few years virtually all a result of Obamacare and Obama's false promises. It is true that the cost of insured health care premiums has increased a lot, again solely because of Obamacare. (Worse than premiums was the meteoric rise in deductibles, again Obamacare.) Health care costs has nothing to do with statistical median income. Nobody knows if the number of uninsured that also want to be insured has risen. Keep in mind that of the millions of uninsured ballyhooed when Obamacare was being put together, the vast majority had no insurance because they did not want insurance. There is no reason to believe that better life expectancy and lower infant mortality has anything to do with universal health care.
     
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    Who are these people who don't want health insurance? And how do you not see the connection between access to healthcare and better health?
     
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    None of those assertions are true.
     
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    For starters there were millions of single individuals under 30 who saw no need for health insurance. But Obamacare needed their money so Obama made it illegal to not have insurance. They are now returning to the uninsured group.

    "Healthcare" has to be precisely defined. Most researchers find little correlation of life expectancy with anything. Their best guess is the general health of the individual, not as a result of any insurance or medical providers, but as personal health like obesity, diabetes, heart disease, lack of exercise, etc. You could just as easily say that Canada has better life expectancy because of its colder climate. The same is valid for infant mortality, though that is further aggravated by the different ways that different countries measure infant mortality.
     
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    Your LP record is broken.
     
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    How blissful it must be for you to go through life feeling no obligation to base your beliefs on what is real.

    Even as the percentage of millennials without health insurance drops, 16 percent of young adults do not plan on having insurance in 2017, according to the survey. That includes 47 percent of those who are already uninsured. The most common reason: lack of affordability.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/27/mil...ntage of,common reason: lack of affordability.
     
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    How odd it is that people who live in make believe always think everybody else is refusing reality.

    No, the most common reason the preponderance of individuals who did not have health insurance was that they did not want it, period. It is also the reason most broke the law and did not buy insurance after Obamacare.
     
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    Canada apparently doesn't have leadership that is either stupid enough or indifferent enough to send the infected elderly back to nursing homes where the disease finished off the rest of the patients . Oh, except the elites in Manhattan who were secretly sent to Westchester.
     

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