Time For A Jim Webb Thread

That's not true at all.

No, OnTheIssues and other political typology tests categorize him as a moderate liberal. He is for marriage equality, abortion rights, legal marijuana, a minimum wage increase, protection of unions, opposing social security privatization, equal pay for women, universal healthcare, higher taxes on the rich, more education spending, ending school vouchers and charter schools, heavy regulation of wall street, economic stimuli, a fettering of the "free market", a cap on carbon emmissions, tax incentives to encourage energy independence, so on and so forth. None of that is remotely conservative. It is interesting, though, that I've seen you plainly call Obama a commie, yet you've seemingly found a hero in a man that is to the left of him on many issues.

 

Well it's obvious that Jim Webb isn't in lockstep with the leadership of the Democrat party. He's not a loon. There's going to be a lot of opposition with in the Democrat party if Webb decides to run.

 

Neoconservatives were the liberal base of the Democrat party who fled the Democrat party during the late 1960's and 1970's when the "New Left" started gaining control of the party. The majority came under the GOP tent.

 

That presupposes that being a registered Democrat makes one a liberal. Which it does not. There's a reason neoconservatives are called what they are. That's because they are, in fact, conservatives. Their party origins does not change that.

 

Sure. But he has the capability of creating a coalition between southern democrats and strong progressive liberals. Pretty unique...and his ability to appeal to a wide-range of voters will serve him well in both the primary and the general. Reminds me of Rand Paul in that way.

Meanwhile, Clinton becomes more and more unpopular with the day. Webb has a pretty good shot, I remain optimistic.

 

I like him too. But there is the rub. The major parties do not pick their candidates to appeal to most Americans. The major parties choose their candidates to satisfy the fringes of their base.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...presidential_candidates_they_don_t_agree_with

 

JFK would meet the definition of a neoconservative.

What about the late Texas Liberal Democrat, Charlie Wilson ? (RIP) There's a book and also the movie about that famous liberal who was the one responsable to get Congress to arm the Mujahideen unlike the revisionist who try to say it was Reagan.

If Charlie Wilson were have came under the GOP tent when many true liberals did back during the 70's and early 80's, I suppose he would have been labeled by the radical left who had just hijacked the liberal label as a neo-con.

The movie -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Wilson's_War

 

If I was running for president, I'd hire Hillary as my chief-of-staff or top adviser.

 

How so?

 

http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/3/webb.jpg

Do you remember the gun incident from about 2007? That was odd.

Additionally, he's essentially a Republican in a Democratic Party that is increasingly leftwing.

 

Obama isn't a progressive?

 

The most important point is that he would scare Democratic primary voters off. Frankly, I can't see a scenario in which Webb could win the nomination. The party has moved way beyond him. There isn't much of a place for a guy like Webb in the Democratic Party and no place for a Democratic Presidential candidate.

 

Uhhhh....no.

 

I don't see it either, Jim Webb has just to much baggage that progressive liberals despise, a Vietnam war vet and worse of all, a Marine. A former Secretary of the Navy under the Reagan administration. Then there are the little things like Web supports and defends the Constitution like the Second Amendment. No connections to Marxist or Bill Ayres and the terrorist organization, the Weather Underground. Not to mention he use to be a Republican.

 

The party establishment is more Clintonite-centrist, but the main party base still remains liberal enough for a Jim Webb nomination.

 

What Telekat ???

If I were a registered Democrat, and Webb was on the ticket he would have my vote.

Jim Webb is not a radical liberal loon.

Since 1972 that's all the Democrat Party has ran for President. Why does the Democrat party keep putting liberal loons on the ticket ?

The last time the Republicans had a conservative for President on the ticket was in 1984, the reelection of Reagan. Back then, Reagan was considered to be extreme right.

I wish a true conservative would be on the ballot during a Presidential election, it hasn't been done since 1984.

 

Thanks for the conversation. Adios.

 

What makes one a "liberal loon", just out of curiosity? Is it support for universal healthcare? The minimum wage? Marriage equality? Legal abortion? Legal weed? Pulling our troops out of the Middle East? Higher taxes on the rich? Harsher regulations on Wall Street? A cap on carbon emissions? Because Webb supports all those things. I haven't the slightest clue how you can consider corporatists like Obama and Clinton to be far-left commies, yet find a strange bedfellow in James Webb who is very much similar to Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren in his approach to economics.

The Democratic Party has been a centrist party for decades. The most radically left-wing thing it has accomplished in the modern era has been getting the ACA passed. And that's basically just a big subsidization of insurance corporations. Nothing all that "leftist" about it. It's corporate welfare.

Progressives and other hard-leftists are pushing single-payer.

And now he would be considered a Democrat by today's standards, probably. Because the GOP has moved further right since he left office, not the other way around.

Tell me, what is a "true conservative." I see the term thrown around basically all the time, but it always seems to have a different meaning based on who I talk to. What makes you think your unique brand of conservatism is the only real conservatism? What do you have to back such claims?

 

I agree with you. Webb is nowhere near as charismatic, as say, George W. Bushie. But he might be able to compete anyway, since nobody in the Democratic field has strong grassroots support yet except the rockstar Lincoln Chafee.

 

Your extreme liberal manta is scary and just plain wrong. To imply the R party has moved far right and the D party has become centrist is just plain silly! Your criteria is obviously flawed!

 

I am going to vote for Hillary, at least in the primary, even if she doesn't run, hell, even if she dies. Our first Zombie President would still be a better choice than any Republican I've seen. I don't like Hillary anymore, but the Republicans scare me to death and Hillary has been touted as the 2016 winner since 2014, even though that was a Republican victory. I am going to be voting against the Republicans rather than for the Democrats again next time

 

What does Barack Obama have to do with this?

 

Well I think that's why we've heard nothing since he started his exploratory committee. I think they did some polling and saw that his chances of winning a Democratic primary were only slightly better than GW Bush's.