Time For A Jim Webb Thread

Not flawed, quite accurate actually. The Democratic Party's greatest accomplishment in this decade has been passing Obamacare, which is little more than a subsidization of big insurance corporations. And guess who originally penned the legislation? Yup, a Republican. Mitt Romney to be specific. It's Republican healthcare in every sense of the word, it was just pushed by a man with a (D) next to his name. Which is why it is so violently opposed. If the Democratic Party and Republican Parties were as far left as you cry out, we'd have single payer by now. But we don't. Because they aren't.

 

I guess I'm not getting your point. You think the base of the party is closer to where Webb is than the party establishment???

Neither is anywhere near where Webb is at.

 

Yeah. Webb tends to be more of the economic populist that Sanders and Warren are. With the base becoming increasingly progressive, that will serve him well, even if party leadership and major representatives (*cough* Clinton *cough*) are still clinging onto the center-right.

 

Last night I caught the tail end of Warren's interview on Bill Maher.

Here's what I heard. "I believe," "I believe," "I beleev," "I believe," "I believe,"
And " build America," "build America," "build America," "build America."...

America has already been built, but it's crumbling. The left keeps promoting to move forward, to keep building but every thing they build crumbles as they move forward building.

This Warren gal is a dreamer and sounds incompetent.
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Are you putting Warren and Sanders to the center right of where the Democratic Party is now? I think you are observing some alternate universe Democratic Party.

 

No, the Democratic Party is center-right. Warren and Sanders are to the left of it. But Sanders is not even a Democrat, and Warren refuses to run. So there is that.

 

Not accurate at all. Getting single pay is not as easy as you think.
Most of the R party is centrist/right, but nearly all of the D party is left.

 

Please. Enlighten me.

 

You may be the same as my sister, an extreme liberal. I told her some months ago that if she voted for Obama twice, she was way too ignorant to argue with! Did you vote for Obama twice?

 

I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012, and I didn't vote at all in 2008. So, no, I'm not an "extreme liberal." I'm more of a political moderate. But I guess the center-left probably is damn far to the left compared to you.

 

It's good you didn't vote for Obama, and I'm glad to be far to your right.

I do believe third party is a wasted vote, and can hurt the D party or R party depending on which one is more in line with your thinking. In your case, it did not. I and many others did make a mistake in 1992 by voting for Perot and probably helped Slick Willie slide in.

 

I don't consider it a wasted vote, at least not in the case of 2012 where neither of the two candidate were even remotely appealing to me. That's a legitimate time to vote third party IMO. And that vote will be repeated if it's Bush vs. Clinton in 2016.

 

OK...if you think that the Democratic is center-right, it explains why I couldn't make sense of what you were saying.

 

It's not a matter of thinking it's center-right. It IS center-right.

 

At least your thinking is consistent regarding Bush/Clinton. If that's the case, of course I will go with Bush who has some conservative qualities, while Hillary has none.

 

How is that a liability? The Democrats nominated Al Gore and John Kerry, who were both Vietnam War vets. Unfortunately they both lost to Republican Chicken-Hawk George W. Bush.

He was never in office as a Republican.

 

Al Gore never ran on his Vietnam War record. Al Gore was out of the loop when "in-country" and because his father was a U.S. Senator he only did 1/2 of his tour of duty. I doubt he had to much say so.

Now John Kerry is completely different situation,he ran for POTUS on his Vietnam War record.

John Kerry was attacked for his back stabbing of the American soldier why they were still on the battlel fields of
Viet Nam after he served 1/2 have his tour of duty.