Time to Get Real About Ukraine

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  1. Jack Hays

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    I actually am from and in the USA. I do not think you are either.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    He sure as **** isn't from the US, given his fruity use of language. Might be somewhere in the UK, Australia or New Zealand. Might be living in Russia.
     
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    Yes Durandal --- some were escorted through the building .. not all were "beating and chasing Police" . Your completely wrong once again .. engaging in fallacy and irrational made up falsehood .. some of which was fed to you by your favorite Western Propaganda media source ...

    There was no "They" in the incident under discusion .. we are talking about "Flag Guy" .. one individual .. who indeed was escorted through the building .. but you would not know ... this .. having not watched what you are now inferring to have some understanding .. which means what you are reciting is pure propaganda .. readily available for mass consumption by the sheep who are oblivious to what actually happened .. having not watched for themselves.

    These are the best sheep .. the one's who do not realize what they are being fed is propaganda .. and of course it would not be much good as propaganda if they did realize .. now would it ?

    "Cherry Picked" -- not that you know having not watched ... but what other video was left out ? Video of our Flag Guy that would change the narrative ? Oh. Oh .. sorry .. thats right Durandal .. you have absolutely no clue what the "Cherry picked" is referring to by your propaganda source .. just repeating the pablum verbatum.

    Time for some home-work there Durandal .. better go quick .. figure out the answer .. lest we have necessary illusion bubble poppage .. and that would be messy.
     
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  4. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Which "flag guy" did you have in mind?

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    Maybe this one?
     
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    Wrong again Durandal .. The "Flag Guy" we are talking about is the one in the video you pretended to watch - the one given 4 years in jail .. in a case you obviously know nothing about .. now peddling spoon fed propaganda .. reciting it like a parrot. Then turning around claiming there is no "Propaganda" .. no "Censorship" in the western media.... nary a "Sin of Omission" to be found.

    Complete discombobulated dyslexic .. mind warp got going on here .. The purveyor of Propaganda .. like one of those street vendors in the old days "Extra Extra" .. oblivious to the existence of propaganda ..

    Done yourself up this time ya did D .. but take heart .. look on high to the crucifix and realize the backslap Pudd Pull is there for support if ya need it .. "gonna get by with a little help " .. how does that old Beatles song go .. and how does the cheer go "Orc Orc Orc" :) har har har
     
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    There's a veritable sea of flag guys to pick from :)
     
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  8. Durandal

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    There's another interesting story published right under this one, too:

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    New Russian army unit sent to find soldiers lost in chaos of faltering offensive

    Nataliya Vasilyeva
    Fri, March 10, 2023 at 11:59 AM CST·8 min read
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    Russian soldiers in the Donetsk People's Republic - AP

    Russians sent to fight on the front lines are mutinying, fighting amongst themselves, getting locked in basements and lost in the chaos of a faltering offensive, a flurry of videos and messages from inside Vladimir Putin’s army show.

    Recently mobilised soldiers are refusing orders to face “certain death” by joining “human wave” attacks that they say are destroying entire units at a time.

    Some are appealing directly to Putin in desperate videos, while others are standing up to Kremlin officials sent to quell the rebellion.

    ... https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-army-unit-sent-soldiers-175916203.html

    Seems that maybe they're not all prepared to lay down their lives to make Russia USSR again?
     
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    The proof is there to see, yes. Funny though, that you omitted your favourite term .... "naZis".
    Let's see some proof of that.
    1). blitzkrieg only denotes hard and fast illegal strike invasions such as the Yankees in Irak so you cannot use that as "proof".
    2). Russia hasn't committed any genocide at all in Ukraine so you cannot use that as "proof" either.

    It doesn't look like you can support your claims in the slightest. Maybe you need to reconsider your tactic?
     
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    UN report details summary executions of civilians by Russian ...
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    Dec 7, 2022 — A UN Human Rights report based on the work of the Mission details how Russian troops killed civilians in Ukrainian towns and villages across the ...
     
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    I worry that these fascists will not be brought to justice if the Putler regime does not fall. It took defeating the Nazi war machine and all of Germany for Nuremberg to take place, didn't it?
     
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    Russia is now circling the drain.
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    Ukraine Russia war live updates: Russian confirms Kremlin infighting
     
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    Russia’s Bite No Longer Matches its Bark in Ukraine
    By Mikhail Vinogradov
    10 hours ago

    The tougher the rhetoric of the Russian regime, the more starkly obvious the contrast between its words and actions. Expectations of President Vladimir Putin’s recent state-of-the-nation address were high enough for it to be broadcast live by international media. The Russian president tried to live up to the hype by threatening to conduct nuclear tests, among other things. Nevertheless, the impact fell short of his apparent intentions, and the address quickly disappeared from the news agenda.

    Nor did the first anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24 bring the escalation that had been feared. Moscow’s radical rhetoric failed to materialize into mega-strikes on Ukrainian territory or any other major developments.

    The Kremlin’s words and deeds had parted ways long before the February anniversary. The explosion on the Crimean Bridge at the start of October prompted speculation over impending retaliation, and many expected Putin to respond by declaring martial law on Oct. 19. That did happen, but it was partial, only applied to certain territories, and was soon forgotten.

    ... Russia’s Bite No Longer Matches its Bark in Ukraine - The Moscow Times

    Can Muskovy make it another year or will it all fall apart when this offensive fails to take even the city of Bakhmut? Will the Ukrainian counteroffensive with superior weaponry see the invasion force fall apart entirely? It's certainly a fact that Muscovy lacks the firepower and manpower to make significant gains, let alone hold them and force an end to this conflict on their terms.
     
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    Russian ammunition warehouse EXPLODES in Luhansk as Ukrainian forces strike
     
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    France is already sending one armored 'oddity' to Ukraine. Now it might send a slightly odder one.
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    France is already sending one armored 'oddity' to Ukraine. Now it might send a slightly odder one.
    Michael Peck
    Sun, March 12, 2023 at 7:17 PM CDT


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    French soldiers with AMX-10P armored vehicles at a UNIFIL base in southern Lebanon in September 2006.THOMAS COEX/AFP via Getty Images
    • France is reportedly considering sending AMX-10P amphibious infantry fighting vehicles to Ukraine.

    • France has already sent its AMX-10RC armored vehicle to Ukraine, among other military hardware.

    • The AMX-10P may have some utility but it's unclear how many France has or what condition they're in.
    ... https://news.yahoo.com/france-already-sending-one-armored-001700011.html

    An amphibious infantry fighting vehicle could be very useful with all of the river crossings involved. Also a great use for something France has already retired.
     
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    Putin's Russia has been bent over Ukraine for over a year.
    A spectacle that has attracted the attention of all of the victims of Russian imperialism and its adversaries.

    “Conspiracy all around

    To Russian hawks, this is not simply ingratitude, it is conspiracy. European diplomats have been stepping up their activities in the region. At the end of February, Antony Blinken, the US secretary of state, visited the Kazakh capital, Astana, to meet his counterparts from all five Central Asian republics before heading to Tashkent, the capital of Uzbekistan. Kabanov saw a direct connection, commenting that “anti-Russian rhetoric has moved to a new level” since the visit.

    Washington is certainly eager to isolate Moscow, but Central Asia is not a priority and it has few illusions about what it can achieve there. As a US official involved with Blinken’s visit put it, “we’re not looking to make any big promises but really just capitalise on the very real discontent [with Moscow] we’re encountering across the region”.

    To other Russians, Beijing is equally to blame. As one well-connected political analyst put it on social media, “our Chinese ‘friends’ have long wanted to replace us in Central Asia, and now they are leaping at the opportunity”.
    THE SUNDAY TIMES, Putin’s Suez moment: he’s watching his Central Asian empire drift away, The former Soviet republics are losing respect for the Russian leader after his disastrous invasion of Ukraine, By Mark Galeotti, Saturday March 11 2023.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...4?shareToken=667ee41e5bf4a213f6efb31bcd4806b7
     
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    Russian war criminals to be prosecuted.
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    ICC to issue first arrest warrants linked to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine
     
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    Update from Ukraine | Ruzzia sends junk outdated Tanks and BTRs | Their soldiers are doomed
     
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    Exactly what do you think they are doing atm? They have attacked every single inch of Ukraine, civilian or military. They've kidnapped children and sent them to Russia to get re educated with Russian bullshit. They've raped killed civilians. Mass burial and torture sites have been found. They are IN Ukrainian land killing Ukrainians. And they are not going to stop until all of Ukraine is subjugated or destroyed.

    What exactly would you call that?

     
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    Fall asleep in front of the television again did you Gifty while Skynet was trying to kill John Connor? You really do have trouble grappling with the whole concept of 'reality' vs 'fantasy' don't you.
     
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    Who the one fell asleep in the bomb shelter .. woke up 30 years later .. has no concept of current reality. Drones are real mate .. as is something we call "Artificial Intelligence" .. better read up .. catch up with the times mate .. Way out of the loop you are :) Har har har
     
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    Your the one who claimed there there were (imaginary) terminators wandering around Ukraine. If you mean drones say drones, its that simple. That their correct title.
     

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