Time to Get Real About Ukraine

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  1. flyboy56

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    Compared to US history of invading countries China most certainly is a peacenik. And China has been around for several thousand years. The US a little over 200 years. What an impressive war mongering record.
     
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    Nothing cynical about acknowledging that there is no such thing as a government free of corruption. It is just a fact of life.
     
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    You need to review the history of China. Or ask one of your Vietnamese friends. :)
     
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    Russia did invade a non-threatening nation which affected half the countries in the world. Russia is not going to get off free of charge. There will be ramifications for Russia if there is a peaceful resolution. I don't know if we will make it that far before either Putin is assassinated or the Russian citizens start to revolt due to finding out about Russian civilians being forced with guns to their backs to run in human wave attacks to die by enemy fire. The million who fled are probably informing their friends and families of the disregard for human life that Putin holds for his citizens.
     
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    Ain't it great how the Russians don't understand world history when just throwing out words.
     
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    What is today called China was created over the centuries by invading neighbors.
     
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    Link please. No such thing has been observed and I highly doubt China would overtly break the sanctions because they know similar sanctions would destroy the communist Chinese economy.
     
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    EU seals deal to supply Ukraine with a million rounds of shells

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    European Officials Agree to Supply More Artillery Shells to Ukraine
     
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    A million shells is something but only about 2-3 months worth. Worse it will be spread out over 1-2 years so vastly less than what will be needed.
     
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    As my dad used to say: "Beats a poke in the eye with a sharp stick." :machinegun:
     
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    I've read that the US, England and France made China into a de facto colony in the nineteenth century. I did some searching in https://www.bing.com/ and found this.

    Colonization of China - How it affected trade in the modern world
     
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    They could just Google "Emperor". ;-)
     
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    China has not been around for several thousand years. There have been numerous nations in that area, most of them imperial courts of various sorts.
    Those didn't persist in to the modern era. Modern china was formed in the 20th century ffs.
     
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    They could just go read 'the romance of the 3 kingdoms' ffs.
     
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    Kalibr missiles, which the occupiers were carrying by railway, were destroyed in Dzhankoi
    Ukrainska Pravda
    Mon, March 20, 2023 at 4:13 PM CDT

    On the evening of 20 March, Russian cruise missiles were destroyed in the Russian-occupied Dzhankoi in the north of Crimea, Ukrainian military intelligence said.

    Source: Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine

    Quote: "An explosion in the city of Dzhankoi in the north of the temporarily occupied Crimea destroyed Russian cruise missiles Kalibr during their transport by railway."

    ... https://news.yahoo.com/kalibr-missiles-occupiers-were-carrying-211356545.html

    Nicey-nice! :)
     
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    You read wrong.
     
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    So sad. It is funny how their supposedly "high tech missiles" don't seem to be very high tech and rarely hit the target.
     
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    Ukraine says Russian missiles destroyed in Crimea
     
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    Part of the problem is they don't have much in the way of ballistic missiles, which they need to get past Ukrainian air defenses.
     
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    It fits the pattern*.

    The first place where I heard about this was in this book.
    https://www.amazon.com/Mao-Beginners-Rius/dp/090638608X

    I know it's all second-hand info so it still has to be confirmed. It may or may not turn out to be true. You sound like you're sure it's not true. Please tell us how you're in a position to know. Have you spoken to people from China?



    *
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/american-imperialism.371897/
     
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    Better yet, ask a Tibetan or a Uyghur. Nothing screams "peacenik" quite like genocide.
     
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    From your Amazon link:

    Reviewed in the United States on December 11, 2016
    Verified Purchase
    Having had good experiences with the "X For Beginners" series in times past, I turned to this volume as a way to soak up an overview as background for more serious reading. But this book failed me.

    The collage format was used clumsily. At several points, I lost the forest of events for the trees, which is the main thing I looked to this short survey to overcome.

    And most important of all, I don't trust this book as a source since, were it the only thing I knew about Mao, I would not know that his policies killed dozens of millions of people. The book isn't some kind of overt Maoist propaganda, but the omissions are baffling and irresponsible. I didn't want some anti-communist screed about how Mao is evil, evil, evil, but this book is so strangely constructed that it is was useless to me.​
     
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    Chinese imperialism, like Russian imperialism, is a serious threat to world peace.

    “Chinese owners of copper mines in Zambia regularly violate the rights of their employees by not providing adequate protective gear and insuring safe working conditions, according to a Human Rights Watch report. When Zambian employees of the Chinese-owned Collum Coal Mine protested these poor conditions three years ago, their Chinese managers, who said they feared for their lives, fired gunshots at the miners, injuring thirteen of them. After Chinese business interests put pressure on the then-government in Lusaka, the director of public prosecutions suddenly dropped its criminal case against the managers.”
    THE NEW YORKER, China in Africa: The New Imperialists?, By Alexis Okeowo, Staff Writer, June 12, 2013.
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/china-in-africa-the-new-imperialists
     
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