Time to Set the Record Straight - Russian Atrocity

I guess it's war economically or war by killing.
Is one better?

 

They have killed an American citizen, but somehow us going after their funds strikes you as off putting?

 

Oligarchs are "Rich Russians" -- but never mind - we have owners of a "Russian Restaurant" being targeted in California .. turns out Restraurant is owned by a couple .. of which one has Russian background .. but other is Ukrainian .. and most people working at the place are Ukrainian ..

but you want to make a specific category ... just a certain group .. somehow the best way to describe this box in a way that best fits these Russian Oligarchs .. but, try as you may .. there are a whole lot of Jewish Oligarchs going to fit in that box .. Israeli Oligarchs..

So which Jewish bankers you wish to target first ?

 

You are comparing sanctions against rich Russians with the wholesale slaughter of innocent people in Ukraine. Better think that one over.

Basically, we don't start wars. We enter wars that someone else started. We should get others to do as we do.

 

A false dichotomy .. Sanctions are economic war .. and have at it .. Targeting Rich Individuals directly far different.

but .. If you want to go this route .. Which Jewish Oligarchs are on your hit list ?

 

I made no such comparison -- give your head a shake - and quit making up nonsense and attributing that make up nonsense to others.

 

Started Iraq War .. Libya - Joined with El Saud in the War in Yemen which they started .. Joined with El Saud and a large coalition of nations in Syria .. a war which was started by the coalition.

Where you been mate .. you missed all the fun .. Oh forgot Afghanistan .. another war we started... and lets not forget Iran .. a War Iraq Started but we were with Iraq .. using chemical weapons and all that good stuff .. Central American yeah .. on the side of those that started the war again ..

 

You stated that sanctioning rich Russians is a bad thing. But the sanctions occurred because the power structure in Russia, backed to an extent by the oligarchs, is murdering Ukrainians by the thousands. I merely commented on what you said and extended it to Russia's behavior which is available for everyone to see.

 

So if it was up to you, our response to the invasion of Ukraine would be nothing because we don’t want to penalize the rich, we don’t want to effect the poor, and our support of Israel would make our support of the Ukrainians illegitimate. Is that your position?

 

Power Structure in US is backed - to a heck of alot more than to an extent by the Oligarchs .. who have murdered many more thousands that dead in Ukraine .. fraction of a rounding error kind of stuff.

So .. Who are the Jewish Oligarchs we should go after next .. cause you wouldn't want to be accused of "Do as we say - Not as we do" now would ya

 

I've been aware of the truth. We didn't start the Iraq war. Iraq started it by invading Kuwait. Like I said, we enter wars started by others. We defended Kuwait. Libya was not a war. A coalition launching a war is not the same as the U.S. launching a war. No wars in central America either. One was an arrest of a Panamanian president turned drug kingpin. The other was a CIA action in Nicaragua. It was a civil war that we entered started by others. Afghanistan was started by Al Qaeda that attacked the the United States directly. Perhaps you remember 9/11. You can go all the way back to the Marine attack on Tripoli in 1804. That was started by the Barbary pirates who attacked U.S. shipping. We didn't even start that one.

 

I didn't say do nothing - I said Sanctions - and sanctions penalize the rich. Why are you making things up - and attributing to me . in an effort to deflect and avoid the topic .. desperate to demonize the messenger by misrepresenting my position.

So answer the question -- You want to penalize the Rich .. which Jewish Oligarchs should we go after next ?

 

Not talking that war .. good grief .. talking Baby Bush's war in Iraq .. not Daddy.

Yes it is .. specially since we be leading the Coalition .. Still a war mate - still responsible for the ongoings .. but nice try .. albeit a joke.

 

I wasn't "crying", I was calling BULLSHIT on: "Since end of Cold War .. USA has been responsible for way more atrocity - War Atrocity - War Crimes - Crimes against Humanity - Supporting Terror .. than Russia .. not even a Contest .. FULL STOP".

That is nonsense (like that better), TOTAL, UTTER, NONSENSE! Don't bother replying is all you're going to do is restate that BULLSHIT ->-> OPINION <-<-. I'm a pretty fair student of American history, so link something to support "your opinion", or don't bother repeating it.

 

Can I ask was you have to make everything a political issue? I mean would it be too hard to lets all agree the anti-Asian hate was wrong and move on. You seem to have to NEED to point the finger and assign blame based on politics. Do you think it makes a difference to the Asian whether the hate is coming from a conservative or a democrat? I really think you need to get some professional help.

 

I think the poster is talking about targeting individuals...because they are rich, or have a heritage and last name associated with that demonized country. The concept can carry over by targeting jews because a government may disagree with Israel...which I can certainly see as realistic. Or targeting people who may DISAGREE with the current government on who the enemy is.

 

I wasn’t trying to misrepresent your position. I was just making sure I understood it.

So you do favor sanctions against the Russians.

FYI, I generally judge each issue on its own merits. I’m not a fan of whataboutisms and conflating one case with another.

 

Good .. step 1 to recovery - state what your position is .. Oh .. and some History Credentials .. good .. so you know about events since the end of Cold war Round the time of Rotten Ronnie till now.

What has Russia done .. in terms of Atrocity - War - War Crimes -- Crimes against humanity .. Supporting Terror .. that remotely compares to the US track record .. Put up your best example -- and quantify somehow .. numbers dead .. that sort of thing. just to get the ball rolling.

 

The OP thinks an innocent that dies at the hands of a terrorist we are fighting counts as our immoral atrocity and therefore our atrocities far outweigh Russias. What a complete joke.

If you’re that bad at making basic distinctions between immoralities and just equate whatever you feel like just because it’s politically convenient for you to do so then you’re the one who needs to full stop yourself.

The weak appeasers fueled by false moral equivalencies are precisely why Russia thinks it can do whatever it wants. And NKorea thinks it can do whatever it wants. And Iran thinks it can do whatever it wants. And China can do whatever it wants.

Time for your kind to grow the hell up.

 

I guess I'm supposed to not notice your "slight of hand" ... emm ... too bad ... I did. "I" challenged ... "YOU" ... to back up ... "YOUR" ... "BULLSHIT". Apparently you can't.

 

I do favor Economic Sanctions -- not that they have been much good .. and much is window dressing.

It is this going after Rich individuals that is the troublesome part .. not in favor of the whole .. go after Jewish Bankers path.. and even more against this whole demonization thing .. Russian Athletes .. Chess Players - anyone who happens to be Russian living abroad .. quite unsettling .. as is the smell of rancid hypocrisy and disrespect for the Rule of law... founding principles of Western democracy ..

Tell me what the rule book is when we throw out 1) equal justice under Law 2) innocent until proven guilty 3) one person not to be punished for the sins of another .. of their parents ..

Sure .. why not Its the heat of the moment after all ... long term consequences not be considered. .. this is how it goes .. same cycle repeating throughout history ..

This Utilitarian Ideology .. much of which is fallacious utilitarianism .. has been Trending high in the West ... This business is part of that wave ..

 

You don't want to begin .. no problem ... just thought to give you the chance to back up your cry of "BULLSHIT"

How bout we start with Rottin Ronnie --- working with Saddam .. fighting against Iran - Chemical Weapons -- The real deal .. many thousands killed. Can't recall Russia doing anything on that scale...

Now lets see then after falling out of favor with Saddam . we invaded Iraq .. second time - for no valid reason . - against the entire UN Security council .. "Sans Britain of course" . killing hundreds of thousands - mass destruction ..

Now this alone equals anything Russia has done .. and we are barely scratching the surface.

What now .. oh .. we forgot Terrorism .. care to give that one a crack .. or more schooling you need ?

 

Good thing you aren't.

 

That is incorrect. At least have the spine to own up to your shameful position.

 

That's not how it works, you have to actually back up your "OPINION'S" with some documentation.

Like this:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukraine-russia-conflict-war-crimes