Time to Set the Record Straight - Russian Atrocity

What I actually said, is a land called Israel should not exist today.

Everything else you're just making up.

Just to clear things up. You support a country that should not exist today should be supported even though they continue to steal land and property of others living there?

 

"He" didn't seiz ****, OUR NATO alliance put sanctions in place to help Ukraine fight a mad-man. If your money became a casualty of war, maybe you should think about how you invest. In the long run you, most likely, won't lose a dime.

 

That's despicable, but not surprising from someone who worships a man that thinks OUR honoured dead are "sucker's and losers".

 

We aren't debating the existence of Israel. This thread revolves around the power of government and its adherence to rule of law.

You responded to Giftedone's post with a statement that those who support Israel's leadership and helps Israel financially should be targeted for similar actions currently being implemented towards Russia.

Did you forget what you wrote?

I'm just getting clarification. I'm not making things up...I'm asking you questions...and you are not answering them.

 

It is a pretty valid argument that they got their money by being blessed by Putin, and Boris from third street didn’t get the time of day. Their wealth as acquired by having a favorable relationship with Putin. That is graft. Secondly, what are they going to do about it?

 

I didn't forget. His topic is oligarchs.

But you went all emotional and brought up your church.
Which church in USA has been seized over Russia?

 

At least a drug dealer had to be accused of a crime. Biden is going after people simply because of their nationality.

 

Hey...I understand if you don't want to clarify. It doesn't look good and you know it. And personally I think you proved the point the OP was making.

 

Giftedone:
55 k posts; 11k likes= 1 per every 5 posts = 20%: not the kind of numbers to boast over.

I have consistently had 40 - 45 % likes, to overall posts which, while far from stellar, I consider respectable (currently 5530 posts & 2250 likes). It is double your own proportion-- and remember, that's from my posting, according to you, nothing but strawman arguments. So you must be doing something substantially wrong. I would vote that it was your rudeness, and abrasively pompous personality; but I guess there's not much chance that's gonna change-- right, mate?

 

You're free to make up any BS you want to believe.
I have clarified. Oligarchs. Not churches.

 

This site has existed for many years without the like function. So those who've been around a long time didn't have a like function for many of this sites existence.

 

Prove it. With sources that tend to support U.S. foreign policy. And note, the invasion of Iraq cannot be classified as a war crime.

 

No, maybe I should think about what kind of ****ed up country I live in now. It ain't NATO buddy that used some lame ass executive order....based on the bullshit unproven Russian hacking of a pipeline that everyone has already forgotten about.

E.O. 14024

I know to the friggin penny what was seized from ME so talk out of your ass somewhere else.

 

That was enough for me. I've got an idea, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

not at all. if you are at the airport wirh a few thousand dollars or or driving the interstate , maybe on your way home from vegas, it is up to you to prove that you are NOT a drug deal or the money is the state's by "civil forfeiture. " thank reagan for the drug war.

 

But merely being "rich," is not the criterion for being targeted, is it? That would be wrong. The criterion, is being an "oligarch," which does not translate to meaning simply "wealthy," though, granted, if one gets rich in Russia, outside of the oligarch system, they are likely to find themself imprisoned, accused of tax fraud or some such, and having all their wealth seized by "the state." This is who the oligarchs essentially are: the state; the ones who own all of Russia's resources & industries, and who run the country.

I can almost hear Giftedone, right now, asking if it would it been all right to go after J.P. Morgan, or John Rockefeller, for earlier, American atrocities. The difference, of course, is that those men built their businesses, themselves, whereas the national wealth of all Russians, was State- owned. And Putin apportioned it all out, to people of his own choosing: the oligarchs. So these people are, in truth, the power structure behind all State government businesses & industries. And their exorbitant wealth, has come from looting the wealth of the Russian people, through the assets which are "State owned." Hence, they are accountable, to some degree, for the actions of the state, which they run, & the wealth of which, they exploit (i.e., steal from).

 

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You obviously do not know me at all, unkotare. I do not know the reason for you to assume that others are purposely misrepresenting facts, whether or not that has anything to do with knowing how your own mind operates. I have certainly met some, here, whose words cannot be trusted. Nevertheless, if I do not, from prior experience, know differently, I give people the benefit of the doubt, to not assume that, even if I believe that there is an inaccuracy, in something that they posted, it is there intentionally. This is a little thing that is known by various names, such as "common courtesy" or "civility." You might wish to give it a try.

If I posted something, that means that I believe it to be true. That doesn't mean that I am beyond the ability to err; I am not perfect, and never claimed that I was. Further, I post on a broad range of topics, here, so it is incomprehensible that anyone could always have the authoritative facts, on every one of them.

So, here is my suggestion to you. If you think that I have stated something inaccurately, I would be more than happy to look over whatever material you post, addressed to me, to educate myself, on the matter. Believe it or not, I have been known to actually change my mind on an issue, when presented with facts, of which I'd, previously, not been familiar. Please, however, mark the word from that sentence: facts. Since I do not assume that you are any more infallible than myself, don't expect my view to be changed by the weight of merely your stating that I have my facts wrong; and be so good as to provide me a link to whatever source allows you to know better, than any of the concepts you see me maintaining. Thanks.

 

Have you seen what folks click like on Appeal to Popularity fallacy. Not sure what a high or low proportion is .. but you are responding to a post where some moron -- who had nothing to say -- could do nothing but cry "No one likes you" - and I merely responded with the fact that I get a fair number of likes .. which you turned into some dk measuring contest which is not quite a silly as the former but ......

Im not here for the popularity contest mate -- Here to make you think .. point out flaws in logic .. such as your propensity to demonize the messenger cause you can't deal with the message ..

 

Of the 3 estimates for Iraqi deaths given by Wiki - posted to you 150,000 450,000 - 1 million. I used the lowest number .. in a contest about which is Highest.. hardly cherry picking mate .. specially since you were given all of the possibilities.

But if you think the numbers are "BULLSHIT" then give a different estimate. ..

Did you think 4,400 US soldiers dead is BS as well -- 31,000 wounded -- completely made up by the Pentagon.

Do you think the Iraq war is "fake news" 911 didn't happen ?

 

Agree that these folks likely made money on account of Putin's Blessing .. but ...so what ... Should we seize the wealth from all folks who's gain was found to be ill-gotten in some way - from individual is in other nations .. and of course other nations will do the same to us.

You realize that the number of "Oligarchs" - folks having ownership in one of the many Oligopolies - who haven't benefited from favorable political relationship or gain was ill-gotten in some way, is Zero.

Second "what are they going to do about it" ? Respond in Kind.

 

I noticed you opted to answer my, admittedly, unserious post, instead of the substantive critique of your OP, which preceded it.

I guess you're still trying to think, of how you could deal with that message.


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ight-russian-atrocity.597915/#post-1073317897


(As always, with you, my money is on your coming back with your favorite, baseless "strawman" accusation-- FYI, mate, that really doesn't offer much for me, or anyone else, to think about; I mean, if what you stated, above, is really why you're here).

 

One can justify actions for anything. Actions should be justified based on rule of law alone. I would feel more comfortable if you had said that we couldn't target and take wealth from Rockafeller and jp Morgan because they were American citizens and protected by our constitution. But your argument was based on definitions of Oligarch...which is a pretty vague term. Controlling the wealth and government influence is an argument used against the Jews. And the NRA for that matter. When does justification for seizure end and rule of law begin?

 

That war was started by Al Qaeda. They attacked the U.S. directly.

 

We confiscate property all the time from criminals and of course even many in 'red side' take the US side in this thing, although its true many others are supportive of Putin and Russia. They feel they have to do that for partisan reasons. Being pro-US is a thing of the past for them.